Why are all administrators former English teachers?

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  1. ms.irene

    ms.irene Connoisseur

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    I have taught at four different secondary schools, and have had five different principals -- only one was a former English teacher. Three were Social Studies, one was RSP (I think?). Of our three APs at my current school, one was Social Studies, one was music, and one was kindergarten/high school guidance counselor.
     
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    My admins now is a former first grade teacher. The one before her was a special ed teacher. The one before that was a high school math teacher. The math teacher had no clue what an elementary classroom looked like or should sound like. She expected them to come in sit down and learn. Hello they were 5 doesn't work that way. We had a former band director as a principal both at middle and high school. Now he's an asst. super and well I think he's not effective leader in anyway shape or form.
     
  3. YoungTeacherGuy

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    My principal and I are both former elementary teachers.
     
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    Naw, I don’t feel I am. I’ve been doing a lot of those things already and now I’m getting recognized and paid for it handsomely!
     
  5. teacherintexas

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    My three favorite administrators have been science teachers.
     
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  6. ms.irene

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    We have the same, but opposite problems with admins who have elementary background working as admins in secondary schools...they have no clue about how to enforce discipline for the older kids. I feel like teaching the level you want to admin for should be a no-brainer prerequisite!
     
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  7. TeacherNY

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    Not in my experience.
     
  8. ecteach

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    I have a better question: Why do all administrators have >5 years teaching experience? (Okay, I'm being naughty.)
     
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    My favorite admin was also a science teacher. Chemistry to be exact. I miss her. Sigh.
     
  10. Teacher234

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    I think this is a more of a generalization in a particular location. It seems to be a matter of coincidence and is not necessarily a sound conclusion. I have been to four different schools (all within my district) throughout the last 25 years. My administrator when I taught high school used to teach at the same college as me (he was an economics professor)---back in the mid-90s. My middle school admin was always an administrator. Elementary admin=used to be a special education teacher for a high school social studies class. She left the school a few years ago and is now a corrections officers. New elem admin=used to teach Art
     
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  11. Teacher234

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    I would certainly not say "all". My current admin taught art for 30 years. Most of this school district's administrators have had teaching experience for at least 10 years.
     
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    Update: I contacted HR and found out that my new administrative pay will be $85,000 for the 2019-2020 academic year, which equates to $6,077.50/month after taxes. My admin pay will max out at $120,000 in the next 7 years (I get an annual $5,000 raise). I’m super excited! :D
     
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    I've had several administrators, and WITHOUT A DOUBT, the ones who spent at least 10-15 years in the classroom before making the jump are more effective, and just generally more pleasant people to work for. In fact, the best supervisor I have ever had spent THIRTY years in the classroom before becoming an administrator. It makes you wonder about their motives when people try to get out of the classroom so quickly. I've been teaching for the past 6 years, and I've had some people encourage me to apply for a recent admin opening. I said NO WAY. I still love teaching, and I don't see the appeal of working in the central office. The only part of the job I would enjoy is observing other teachers, and seeing what cool things they are doing in their classrooms. The rest of the job just sounds like a typical, boring office position. The admin I've worked for that have had only 5 or 6 years of teaching experience have had trouble supporting teachers, and really had trouble gaining the respect of the staff. There may be exceptions to this, of course..
     
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  14. MrsC

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    In order to even apply for the admin program here, teachers must have a minimum of 5 years teaching experience across multiple grade levels. Successful applicants to the program will likely also have Special Ed and/or ELL experience.
     
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