Student late every day & lying about where he was

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  1. applesnap

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    I am currently teaching 12th grade chemistry. One of my students is a few minutes late every day. I have talked to him about this several times, and he always says he'll come on time the next day but never does.

    He might actually be doing it on purpose to annoy me, but I'm not sure. Students know that being late is one of my pet peeves, and lateness is a rampant problem at my school. (For me, the hallway outside my room is noisy, so my door is always shut. When someone is late I have to stop my lesson and open the door for them. Also, my room is set up with immovable lab benches that make it difficult for latecomers to slip in quietly. It's hard to explain, but it's very disruptive. I also have so much content to get through that I start teaching right when the bell goes).

    Once this student arrives to class, he is not very engaged. He doesn't take notes, has a bad attitude, etc.

    I alerted his homeroom teacher and we had a meeting with the student's parents. I told the parents my concerns, but nothing has changed. The student continues to show up late and does minimal work.

    Also, today he told me he was late because he was talking to his homeroom teacher. When I followed up with the homeroom teacher, he was not. She says he lies to her quite frequently as well.

    My question is - what now? Do I take this to my admin? This seems like small potatoes and I'm afraid I'll look bad for referring a student to admin over being only a few minutes late daily. I also don't want to look like I'm undermining his homeroom teacher, who says we've already done all we can for him and at this point we should just let him fail. I'm fine with letting him fail the class if he puts no work in, but the being late stuff really bothers me. Does anyone have advice?
     
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  3. JimG

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    Your school doesn’t have a system in place to handle tardies?
     
  4. applesnap

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    Not really. We mark them late on the attendance. Parents can see online when a student is marked late. If it's a repeated issue, we are supposed to talk to the student and then call home.

    Some teachers put signs on their doors saying things like "if this door is closed, you are late. Wait quietly until Ms. X is ready to let you in". Other colleagues give bell quizzes to give students incentive to be on time.

    But there is no policy, and I feel like I will be annoying the assistant principal if I ask him to deal with this, seeing how he deals with fights and other more serious problems all day.
     
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    In my school, we just mark them late, and after being marked late too many times, the assistant principal is supposed to call them down. 3 lates is supposed to count as a absence. Sometimes it doesn't happen, but I think it's ridiculous to expect you to call parents about this. I don't even say a word when my students come late, but I always mark them late online, even if it's just 10 seconds.
     
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    In my school if you are late x number of times either late to class or late to school, if you are marked late basically, you lose the right to attend excursions or represent the school in sport, attend functions etc. for x amount of time. Parents are also notified of continual tardiness. Other than that I don’t really make a big deal out of it. It disrupts the class but it is what it is.
    Perhaps you can have occasional rewards on random days. The kids who are present in class when the bell goes get a prize. Reward the kids for positive behaviour and it rubs off on the kids who choose wrongly.
     
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    Honestly, I would assign the student an office detention each time he is tardy. I feel like this requires a discussion with the guidance counselor.
    When I taught high school, I had the door locked after the tardy bell. If the student showed me a tardy pass, I would let them in. If not, I marked the student tardy and would not let them in (until I was no longer busy). After it happens once to most of my students (who arrived late), the students found a way to consistently arrive on time.
     
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    If my other post seemed too harsh, maybe you could try the following......
    Have him come to your room during lunch. Talk to him about his plans for the future. After he talks about his future plans, drop the hammer of telling about how his current habits would not be tolerated in a job setting (well...maybe do it after giving praise). Essentially, have an informal conversation with him. Maybe a reward system would work (but, then again, I have elementary school on the brain)
     
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    I don't think this is too harsh. This is actually what I was hoping to do. I'm hoping to talk to the assistant principal in the morning tomorrow to ask if I can send the student down if he is late again.

    I've chatted with the student about his lateness and how it is affecting his course mark several times already, and it has changed absolutely nothing.

    I kept the student after class today, and he promised to be on time tomorrow (but he has promised me this several times, with no change). I think the office thing is warranted because in addition to talking to the student one-on-one, we also talked about it in front of his dad at a family meeting, and the student continues to be late. And on top of that, he lies about why he was late and spins a different story every day.

    I also lock my door and don't let the students in for a few minutes if they are late. I basically wait until there's a natural break in what I am teaching, and then I let them in. It works pretty well, most students arrive late once, get locked out, and then are never late again. However, for this particular student, the locking out thing has had no effect whatsoever.

    I am just nervous to approach the assistant principal about this tomorrow... I'm scared he'll think I can't handle my students or that I'm making a big deal out of nothing.
     
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    Perhaps that could work! I have no idea what type of reward I could do... we can't have food in the labs, so that's not an option. Hmm...
     
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    That's a good policy. So maybe it's not so ridiculous to expect an assistant principal to deal with a student like this? As I said, I'm nervous to ask him for help, as he may think I'm being too uptight about lates or wasting his time...
     
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    These late tardies are too lax, IMO. At my school, students receive a detention after the second unexcused tardy and every subsequent unexcused tardy thereafter. And once a student receives their 4th unexcused tardy, they have to attend Saturday School. Then, the process repeats after every set of four, and so it looks like this: detention, detention, detention, Saturday School, detention, detention, detention, Saturday School, ... And if they miss a Saturday School, the student is then suspended and given zeros in the gradebook for all missing work.

    Students are terrified of being late on our campus and it ensures that students are not chronically truant. And for those students who don’t have a valid reason for being absent for prolonged periods, my admin create truancy reports and then eventually notify a peace officer. It keeps the parents in line, too.
     
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    If you give food as the prize you can give it to the kids on their way out the door to their next class.
    Otherwise prizes like erasers or pencils are cool. Mix it up a little. So it’s really random. Lots of stuff you can get for cheap from the dollar store.
     
  14. JimG

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    Not to sound harsh, but I do not like giving rewards for meeting the standard expectation of being on time.

    If I were in this situation, I would want to do something to establish a concrete tardy policy for the following school years. In order to do that, I think it would be good to see if you could get a committee formed involving the principal and other concerned teachers in order to write one out and submit it to the board.
     
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    - Giving a quiz at the beginning of the class is usually a good incentive for most students. Make it so that it's done in 5-10 minutes, collected and not be able to make up. If you do it every day, the points can really add up.
    - I am not in favor of giving rewards for students doing just what they're supposed to, especially something as simple as showing up on time
    - I would establish some kind of a system, like after 5 tardies 30 minutes detention, etc.
     
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    We have a policy with tardies. One = warning. Two = note home. Three = call home from administration. Four = detention. Five = double detention. Six = suspension.
    Seven - Nine = suspension. Ten = Suspension pending hearing.
     
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    I think the first question that pops into my mind is what is taking up this student's time. I suspect it is noting good, and could be worse than "nothing good" if there is a possibility of drugs being involved, as in using or distributing. To me, that needs to be a firm rule out. Ditching part of class, well, his grade will reflect those actions, but if there could be something more serious going on, well, the school needs to make sure they have firm answers about whether or not this is happening in their school. I would just quit asking the "why" question, since it will almost always be a lie, and go with the automatic email or call home about coming late to class again. I could/would do that every day with a clear conscience unless ordered to do something else by admin.
     

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