PRAXIS II Middle School Mathematics (5169)

Discussion in 'Single Subject Tests' started by steelers1979, Oct 18, 2013.

  1. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

    PRAXIS II Middle School Math (5169)

    I took the PRAXIS on Monday and got a raw score of 28. What will my score be approximately?

    I really wanted to study, but the test was not offered again until February. I am trying to get a position for this school year.

    I need a 141.

    Thanks for your help in advance.
     
  2.  
  3. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 18, 2013

    The test comprises 40 multiple choice questions and three constructed response questions. For multiple choice, the raw score is generally one point per correct question. Each of the three constructed responses is scored on a scale from 0 to 3 by two scorers; Pearson tests tend to use the sum of the scores as the raw score, but I think ETS uses the average. The number of raw points available under the Pearson assumption is 40 + 18 = 58; under the ETS assumption, it's 40 + 9 = 49.

    28 raw points out of 49 is around 57%. On a math test, it might be passing, though much depends on the scoring scale: if questions were particularly difficult, the algorithm that converts raw scales to scaled scales will take this into account. 28 out of 58 is less than 50% and correspondingly less promising.
     
  4. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

    The test consist of 55 questions. There are no constructed responses.
     
  5. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 18, 2013

    Ah, different test, then. 5169?

    28 out of 55 is just barely above 50%. One would predict that you'd get about half of available scaled points - though, again, much depends on the score scaling: if your test happens to have included particularly difficult questions, your scaled score will be higher.

    5169 doesn't seem to be a test required by Pennsylvania, and it isn't on the list of passing scores issued by Praxis in July 2013, so I surmise that it's a new test and that the passing score is still being set. If you've been told that your score report will be delayed, that would confirm my guess.
     
  6. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

    I am applying for a math job in North Carolina. I believe that the 5169 has replaced the 069.
     
  7. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 18, 2013

    The passing scaled score for North Carolina is 165, according to http://www.ets.org/praxis/nc/requirements. On the typical Praxis test the scoring scale runs from 100 to 200. I'll be blunt: it doesn't look good for you.
     
  8. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

    ETS has come out with a new PRAXIS II for Middle School Math. It is all a little confusing.

    ETS is recommending a passing score of 165 for the Middle School Math exam.

    Does anyone know when states will actually decide on the required passing score for their state?

    My raw score was 28. The ETS bulletin online indicates that a raw score of 31 is needed to receive a 165.

    I am tried to get hired in an area with a shortage of math teachers (Charlotte, North Carolina).
     
  9. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 18, 2013

    I've merged your two threads because you're talking about one test; A to Z discourages multiple threads on the same topic at the same time by the same member on grounds that scattering the discussion dilutes it.

    I know I said earlier that I guessed this was a test for which the passing score hadn't yet been set. That was because that test wasn't on the long list of tests and passing scores here. That list is dated July 2013. ETS tends to be a bit more prompt in updating its pages for individual states' requirements, and the North Carolina requirements page at http://www.ets.org/praxis/nc/requirements shows 165 as the official passing score that North Carolina is using for 5169. If that weren't a settled score, it wouldn't show up on that page.

    If I recall correctly, Praxis official scores are issued by email, or at least notice of the official score report is emailed. The official report should include a breakdown of the results into the domains or subject areas tested in the exam, so that should give you something to go on as you prepare to retake this test.
     
  10. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

    Thanks for your help. However, North Carolina might have to lower their required scores. They can't find enough math teachers as it is.
     
  11. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

    TeacherGroupie,

    You failed to read the ETS report online that clearly states that 165 is the recommended score by ETS and that states may choose to increase or decrease the passing score.
     
  12. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 18, 2013

    What's the link?
     
  13. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

  14. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 18, 2013

    I was teaching ESL in Asia from 2005-2011. My goal is to become certified and I was hoping to land a job in math in a high needs area.
     
  15. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 18, 2013

    Thanks. I've read through the document - which dates to February 2013 - and at this point, knowing what I know about teacher tests, I'm comfortable saying that the passing scaled score for North Carolina *is* 165.
     
  16. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 19, 2013

    Well, I guess there goes my dream of becoming a math teacher.
     
  17. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 19, 2013

    Hugs, steelers: that doesn't feel good, I know.

    But let me suggest taking a slightly longer view. You came fairly close to passing, and you'd by no means be the first person who ever had to retake a math exam. I can suggest some resources that you might find helpful.
     
  18. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Oct 20, 2013

    TeacherGroupie,

    I appreciate your help. However, I don't want to wait another year to get a job. I believe the test is not offered again until February. Then I would probably have to wait until August 2014 to find a job.
     
  19. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Oct 20, 2013

    October to February? Hm. That's a somewhat odd gap in test dates, steelers: none of the other middle school tests has that kind of gap just there. I might suggest inquiring of ETS in case it's a typo.
     
  20. steelers1979

    steelers1979 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0

    Nov 4, 2013

    It turns out I got a 157 on the PRAXIS II. That is passing for Alabama and Kansas.
     
  21. TeacherGroupie

    TeacherGroupie Moderator

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    29,474
    Likes Received:
    1,011

    Nov 4, 2013

    Congratulations on passing for Alabama and Kansas! Might you consider teaching math in either state? You could work for a year or two to beef up your resume, and in the meantime study up some more and retake 5169.
     

Share This Page

Members Online Now

  1. miss-m,
  2. Brian of the Hills,
  3. Sashawatch27,
  4. talknteach,
  5. TnKinder,
  6. Ms.Holyoke,
  7. Troy Ostrum
Total: 483 (members: 9, guests: 438, robots: 36)
test