Pencil issue

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  1. Momma5

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    The kids sit at the old tyle desks. They were told to come in with their pencils sharpened in their pencil case. So far, half the class has come in with sindividual sharpeners, so break their pencils on purpose and conitunally raise their hand to dump the scraps out or today dumped them out on the floor. I did NOT want sharpeners brought in, but I'm new and did not send the supply list out last year. I told them they could sharpen their pencil using the class sharpner, but then everyone was again raising their hand, so that's not going to work out.

    Suggestions? I don't want to take all their pencils from them, bc then there will only be one bin and I don't need kids just getting up to get a pencil. Also, should I send a note home to parents or wait until parent teacher night to mention I don't want mechanical sharpenrs brought in.
     
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    I do not allow individual pencil sharpeners. For my kinders, once a week I check their pencils & sharpen as needed. When I taught 2nd/3rd grade, they sharpened pencils first thing in the a.m., then no more after that. I'm not listening to the sharpener! I think I always had pencils that they could borrow instead of sharpening during the middle of the day. There were no problems.
     
  4. queenie

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    I teach second grade and I sharpen pencils in the morning and after lunch. They are not allowed to have pencil sharpeners (or use mine.) I start each day with 24 sharp pencils in a bin and they just trade one out as they need a new one. It hasn't been a problem at all- and definitely less of a problem than constant messes or sharpener noises....
     
  5. 1st-yr-teacher

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    I have a happy bucket and a sad bucket...one holds sharpened while the other holds need to be sharpened. My kids get two pencils in the morning and must turn in a pencil to get a new one. I don't allow sharpeners or mechanical pencils. I have never had problems with constantly getting up to get more. I have had issues with tearing pencils up by chewing or breaking. J haven't had that problem yet . I am going to work on reinforcing the rule where you have to turn in a pencil to get one since several of my students are holding pencils hostage. This system works for me. I have tried letting them sharpen pencils during morning time butthey end up spending hours there. I teach second too.
     
  6. waterfall

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    I am looking for a new "pencil system" also. Last year when I taught sped, I had an electric sharpener that only I used. Since I only had 4-6 kids at one time, it was no big deal for me to just keep sharpened pencils on hand, and since kids didn't keep supplies in my room or travel with things back and forth, it was easy for me to make sure they put the pencil back before they left.

    With 23 kids though, it's a whole different story! I started the year sharpening the pencils at the beginning of the day, but I was seriously spending a good 15-20 minutes of my planning daily sharpening pencils, which I think is completely ridiculous. Of course they break, so kids need multiple ones. I was letting the kids sharpen, but the sharpener was driving me nuts. I only have 10 minutes in the morning to feed them breakfast and have them dropped off at specials, and just getting the breakfast in is practically impossible, so I can't add sharpening in there. They already have to throw a lot of the breakfast away b/c they don't have time to eat it, and when we get back I move right into reading instruction- no time to stop and do "housekeeping" tasks like sharpening pencils. Not to mention that my electric sharpener broke within a week of letting kids touch it!

    I now have kids who have personal sharpeners choose to sharpen pencils (if they want) instead of silent reading if they finish a task early. This works okay and at least it's not noisy, but the kids are still hoarding the pencils, and there are still 3-4 kids who magically break their pencils every 20 minutes.
     
  7. yellowdaisies

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    I do the same as 1st yr teacher - I have two little Target dollar spot buckets labeled "Sharp" and "Needs to be Sharpened" or something like that (I am blanking right now - lol!) - I got the labels on Pinterest. The kids got two pencils on the first day of school, and I had tons of extra ones in the sharp bucket. When they need a pencil, they show me one finger (looks like a pencil) and I silently motion for them to go trade it in. I sharpen pencils after school/at lunch/whenever. I always have tons of extras so I don't have to sharpen a lot every day. It has worked wonders! I have no pencil drama at all. My kids have never tried to bring in individual sharpeners, but if they tried, I'd say no way. When I give kids pencils for prizes, I'll just sharpen it myself really quickly. My sharpener takes about 1 second, so that helps.
     
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    My students will all have individual hand held sharpeners. The key to success with those is training!! The reason my students don't have them yet is because they are sitting on my desk. No one has needed one so far. Tomorrow morning I will teach my students how to use a pencil sharpener and the expectations I have for them. It shouldn't be an issue afterwards.
     
  9. janney

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    I gave each of my students 2 pencils. They keep their same pencils. I call over students once a week to get them sharpened. I will sharpen pencils during their work time if they break. I make a big deal about it if the pencil was broken on purpose (you can usually tell because the end will be smashed). I usually only sharpen one or two pencils a day so it's not a big disruption.

    Since they know they are keeping their same pencils every day and they can't get up to sharpen or trade their pencils they have stayed the nicest pencils I have seen in 5 years of teaching and students aren't stuck with a pencil that someone else chewed on or ruined the eraser.

    Later in the year when they are writing even more I make have to give them a third pencil to last the week without sharpening. I love not having to sharpen pencils every night after school (or trying to quick get it done before school). Hopefully my pencil sharpener will last longer too.
     
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    I use a ziplock Baggie with the individual sharpeners. Each student has a sandwich size bag and sharpens their pencil into the bag, so none of the shavings go on the ground. They keep the bag in their desk and don't have to empty it until the bag is full.
     
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    I keep pencils in a bin on their table. There are always a few extra, so no need to get up if theirs breaks. (Our pencils are community supplies, I made that clear in the beginning of the year and told them to keep sharpeners and fancy pencils are home for homework.) If for some reason there are no more sharpened pencils at their table they can go to a shelf in the room that has a jar for unsharpened pencils and take a sharpened pencil in its place. Two children are responsible for making sure the pencils are sharpened every morning. The other students never use the sharpener.
     
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    I, too, need to go over the "trade-in" policy again because the kids keep 5 or 6 dull pencils in their desks.

    I could NEVER let kids keep baggies of pencil shavings in their desks. I hate pencil shavings! lol

    I couldn't handle personal sharpeners at all. I'd MUCH rather spend a few minutes (I have a FAST sharpener) every morning and afternoon sharpening than seeing those shavings in the desks & on the floor around the trash can or hearing those stupid plastic sharpeners bounce into two pieces on the floor over and over again all day! Ugh.

    I have to be at school about 25 minutes before the kids come to class (and am usually there about 45 minutes before), so it's not a big deal at all. I have a routine- put up the morning work, sharpen pencils, put graded papers in cubbies, etc. so it's really a good plan for me.
     
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    Each table in my class has a bin in it with 8 pencils in it. Each table sits 4, so they have two each. The key to a bin, is for it to have a LID! This helps tremendously! I ask them to put the pencils in and close the lid and it works beautifully. No playing with the pencils!

    I also have a different color bin at each table, so I can call tables by their color, which is also helpful.

    I have a "sharpen me" container near my pencil sharpener. If someone's pencil breaks, they just take it and leave it there. No one has ever had the problem of breaking two in a day, yet. I have one child whose job it is to sharpen pencils. This is the only person allowed to sharpen the pencils all week. At the end of the day, they sharpen the pencils, and return them to the bins so there are eight in each container.

    No problems so far!

    I used to literally HAND the kids a pencil before each activity, and collect at the end!! I was so tired of all the missing pencils and lost or broken pencils!
     
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    What pencil sharpener do you guys have that only takes one second? One of my teammates has a ridiculously fancy staples sharpener (it even stops sharpening on its own when the pencil is sharp, so it doesn't break in the sharpener), and even hers takes forever per pencil and breaks down for awhile if you try to sharpen a high volume of pencils at once.
     
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    I have the Stanley Bostitch Quiet Sharp 6. I got 2 for free with my Scholastic points. They were a little over 2,000 pts each. I know it won't last forever, but at least it didn't cost anything! By the time those two break I should have more than enough points to replace them.
     
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    I have a tub with sharpened pencils I sharpen every morning in my electric sharpener.

    Also most of my students (25 out of 31) have individual sharpeners with caps on them to catch the shavings.

    They can not empty the shavings unless it is free time.

    Only twice last week did I have to sharpen a pencil for a student and that was right before school was over.

    So far it is working for me.
     
  18. leighbball

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    I have this one too! I love it. My first one lasted 3 years!

    I also have the cups with "i'm sharp" and "please sharpen me" for pencils. I do not allow individual sharpeners...I tell them to keep them at home for when they need to sharpen a pencil at home. :) I have 2 kids who do the "pencil pals" job each day and they sharpen pencils at the beginning and end of the day for us if anything is in the cup. It works well for us!
     
  19. czacza

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    Momma5... I know this advice won't help you in your current classroom as you have plans to resign, but you need to do some thinking about procedures. Here's a lst of things you'll want to have a plan for in future classrooms:
    Pencils
    Bathroom
    Lining up
    Walking in the hallway
    Going to the nurse
    Lunch count
    Fire drill
    Lock down drills
    Unpacking in morning
    Handing out and collecting papers
    Packing up at the end of the day
    Dismissal...
    This list is by no means complete, but it is essential to plan ahead. Failure to plan is a plan to fail. I wish you well.
     
  20. DrivingPigeon

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    I haven't read all of the replies, but here is my policy (I love it, and it works very well for me):

    -Individual sharpeners are on the list, but I write names on with a sharpie, collect, and return at the end of the year.
    -All pencils are communal, except for "special" pencils that students bring in.
    -Communal pencils are stored in buckets marked "Sharpen please" and "ready to write".
    -In the morning, students take 2 sharp pencils.
    -If a pencil breaks, they use their back-up. If both break, they can grab a new, already-sharpened pencil.
    -At the end of the day, I call students up to return their 2 pencils.
    -I sharpen all pencils after school with my electric pencil sharpener. It sounds like a pain, but it takes all of 1 minute, and saves me countless headaches throughout the day.
    -Students can sharpen "special" pencils in the morning only.
    -The supply list also asks for 2 pink erasers, which students use when the pencil erasers fall off.

    I also "train" them on how to use pencils correctly (keep out of mouths, how to use the eraser so that it doesn't break off, etc.). In 5 years I have never ever had a pencil problem.
     

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