Parents expecting free tutoring?

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  1. otterpop

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    It sounds like this is what the parent needs to hear. Parents are unhappy with hearing that sometimes, but it's so important that they do.
     
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    If the principal pressures you into offering extra tutoring, I'd offer from 7:30-8:00 AM two days a week. Maybe it'll help her get to school on time.

    Otherwise, no.
     
  3. mathematicalanomaly

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    Well, see that's the thing.. I also have morning cross walk duty from 7:30-7:45, and at 7:45 students walk in my door and I'm usually running from the crosswalk at the bell to beat them. From 7:45-8:00am I have to give them breakfast from the basket, mark off who is eating what and count all the milks and fruit and entrees and check folders for notes for transportation changes etc. Definitely couldn't use that time for instruction.

    I can't really use recess or lunch either but I need to be actively monitoring my 35 other students with my team teacher. And you all know I spend most of that lunch period opening milk cartons and gogurts and the last 3.6 seconds inhaling my food lol and pulling her to the side of the playground to work during recess wouldn't be effective at all, and my principal is very against taking recess away for struggling students so I just feel stuck!!

    If she wants a tutor, she'll have to hire one or find a high school student/etc willing to volunteer their time.

    I don't think avoiding the conversation is going to happen, this is a mom who is definitely going to be on my case all year about not "going the extra mile" like her teacher last year (who is a wonderful teacher who works very hard of course!)
     
  4. mathematicalanomaly

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    But with this parent being so confrontational and hostile at this point in the year, I feel like I need to tread carefully. Build up a bit of positive relationships before I tell her that her kid needs to take some responsibility for herself.
     
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    There are 8 people on my team. The two language arts and two math teachers each stay one day a week until 4:00 to provide students with extra help. No stipend. We don't stay one day a week because that is the day we all stay until 5:00 for department meetings. Also no stipend.
     
  6. mathematicalanomaly

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    This should not be the expectation! I need to move to a union state apparently! and maybe you too lol
     
  7. Ima Teacher

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    I'm close to retirement. I'm not going anywhere. :)
     
  8. mathematicalanomaly

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    ah that makes sense. I've put three years into this state but I have no family and no reason to stay here so I'm OUTTA here.
     
  9. NewTeacher2016

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    I offer free tutoring sessions after school twice a week and in the past year, I've only gotten about five students showed up, I treated it as charity work because 98% of the time I don't see any kids after the last bell of the day.

    Parents LOVES to see that tutoring opportunities are being offered at my school but however, none of them want to sit in the parking lot for an hour twice a week for their kids lol
     
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    As others have mentioned, you should let the P handle all communication regarding this matter. He should back you up on this, and you should very politely let the P know that you like to differ communication about this to him and would appreciate his support. Don't let the mum or P guilt you into agreeing. You have to put your needs, your sanity, your whatever, first.
     
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    Ask to be relieved of your 3:00 duty for tutoring and stay until 3:30.
     
  12. vickilyn

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    This. I would be willing to come early in this limited scenario. This would be my "final offer."
     
  13. mathematicalanomaly

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    @vickilyn I have duty in the morning, the child would have to come at 6:30am-7:30am and then leave the building until 7:45am when I return from duty.

    I truly can't be relieved of my afternoon duty, we need all teachers on deck at that point. We're a small school with a crazy transportation schedule.
     
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    If the principal pressures for the tutoring, the 7:30-8:00 would be my reply. That puts the ball back in his court as to how much he is willing to "give" of your time. That fits within contracted time, and therefore would not be contraindicated. If this is an important issue for him/the school, then let him figure out how to make you available. You have been compliant and are attempting to do as requested. Now it is up to him to give you the time to follow out his request.
     
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    Yeah. I don't think teachers should be "expected" to work outside of their contract hours. They all do already, with lesson planning and grading and such, but being asked to stay after to tutor with no stipend by your admin just shows a lack of respect for teaching professionals. (as does the parents behavior, but it's common to have to deal with these tough customers)

    If it were me, as others said, I would end the interaction. You've said your piece, she's said hers. You can explain to the principal that it's outside of your contract hours so you can't offer that to the parent unless he's willing to reduce your duties elsewhere to make something work out. If he doesn't agree to that, then it's off the table. You can tell the parent 'I'm very sorry, but I can't offer that service, I hope you can find someone who can.' if you want but you could very well just not respond at all and let her deal with the admin.

    The admin cannot force you to do something outside of your contract and since you are leaving anyway, you won't have to deal with him past this year.

    If a school wants their teachers to help kids outside of class they should put it in their contract hours. Our contract hours always started an hour before and ended an hour after school so we had time for kids to meet and get help if they needed on any given day. If extra tutoring was needed, they would hire someone to work the tutoring center and give them extra pay.

    Be a human, defend your time and your rights, and don't give into your admin trying to guilt you.
     
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    Yeah... I knew a student like this my first year. Not in my class, but in a teammate's class. Mom brought her to school only when the cops showed up at the house because "it was too hard to bring her" (Mom didn't like the bus). Guess who's fault it was for her failure in school?

    Sit down with Mom and Principal and explain that the first logical step is to ensure this girl has more time in class, that extra tutoring will not make up for the missed lesson time. If she is two years behind in math, she is at an age where she can accept more responsibility in the classroom. Mention this as well. Say you want to set up a plan to increase Girl's class time and responsibility for own work. These are basic, sensible steps that any reasonable school would implement before going to something as drastic as free tutoring (And yeah, I'd use that line with your principal, he ought to know better).

    Alternatively, you can present your tutoring time as a professional to your principal and ask what he is offering for your off-contract time.
     
  17. TeacherNY

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    But...that's the only time you have to tutor. If your principal doesn't want you to give up your duties then he will have to agree that you don't have time to tutor.
     
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    I would never even joke about tutoring my own student for private pay. It is a no win situation. If the student doesn't do better, you REALLY stink, and if the student does better, other parents will want to know if it is favoritism. It isn't professional to take additional money to tutor your own student, nor is it reasonable for the school to ask you to give up your time outside of contracted hours. Face it, that's just stealing from you and unethical. My guess is that your principal, if push comes to shove, could find a way to relieve you for thirty minutes a day twice a week. The question is whether he wants to that badly.

    Is this a charter school where you teach? How do they get by with no SPED support for the inclusion class? It's all too bizarre for me to consider.
     
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    I think it is different to negotiate more money for more contract timr
     
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    Agreed, but good luck with that at this point in time. I have reread the initial post. No money for supplies from school or parents? Does this mean that teachers are supposed to dip into their measly salary for supplies? No breaks, no prep, no lunch, no SPED support for SPED students, and it sounds like not much of anything else that's worth having. I hope OP has a really good reason for staying put, because I enjoy teaching, but I don't believe in suffering for my craft.
     
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