Para: Uncomfortable Situation

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  1. Ms.Holyoke

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    I told my mentor and she thinks it is very strange too. She went to tell his supervisor.
     
  2. Been There

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    It's obvious to me that someone needed to have taken the bull by the horns already! If your mentor has not spoken to the principal yet, you may want to consider doing that yourself - yes, even as a student teacher. This would be a perfect "training" opportunity for you to experience what it is like to attempt to involve an administrator in a personnel problem. Someone needs to step up to the plate before it hits the news.
     
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    Since this situation has been going on for weeks if not months, I suspect that no one wants to be a tattletail! By definition, a tattletail is one who reports on the behavior of an individual much to the annoyance of others - in your case, I don't think others at your workplace would be annoyed by your revealing the goings-on with admin.

    If everyone is so chicken, you can always go to the primary stakeholders - pick parents who would have no reluctance to shake admin's cage with their concerns about the para's impropriety. By doing so, you will also learn to use parents' influence to your advantage - something that is useful for all educators to know. They will ensure that this unhealthy situation is brought to an abrupt end.
     
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    It's honestly not my responsibility to speak to the principal. My mentor spoke with his supervisor though.
     
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    So, now what and when? I don't know about you, but I'm ready to have this resolved by Friday!
     
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  6. Ms.Holyoke

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    I'm not sure if anything will happen but at least I reported it.
     
  7. Been There

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    There's something I learned in education that held true 99% of the time: Whenever there's a problem, if you don't do something about it (i.e. step up to the plate), the likelihood is that no one else will either. So, in your case, you can just forget about it and your student teaching will be over before you know it - at least you reported it.

    BTW, this is the kind of sticky situation that I would purposely seek out to tackle. By actively getting involved in resolving problems that no one else wanted to touch, I created a win-win situation for both my students and me. This is how I racked up an impressive list of accomplishments that was highly advantageous on my resume. If you want to transform your resume into a winning curriculum vitae, you may want to consider stepping out of your comfort zone and taking on a challenge that you may well be faced with again as a teacher - I guarantee selection committees will take notice - I know I would.
     
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    Right but as a student twacher it's not right for me to decide that my mentor isn't handling a situation correctly. That could put her in a bad place. I know that the students are not being harmed in any way, otherwise I would act.
     
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    I have learned that is almost every family, organization, and group that there’s at least one if not two odd color sheep that are never dealt with.

    They become the iconic elephant in the room. A problem big enough for the world to see, but nobody touches. Everyone has something to say about them...until there’s a meeting. Then, silence. Nobody will say a single word.

    This madness ALWAYS backfires on me when I bring it up. Always. Always. I am sick and tired of it! Everyone knows it’s wrong, but I am the only one to say something.

    And I lose my job, lose my home, my man, family and friends. Always becomes my fault! Always. Just recently a situation has developed where a consulting coordinator observed my class, asked about issues I was facing, listened to my thoughts, pretended to offer me support and then went and turned it into an internal investigation! Now my boss thinks I am trying to get the center shut down. :(

    We have about a month to go.

    My advice is to let it go. Trust me, when the stuff hits the fan, you don’t want it coming back on you.
     
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  10. catnfiddle

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    Putting the concern in the hands of the teacher responsible for the students (aka your mentor teacher) was the correct thing to do. It is that person's license that is on the line.
     
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    You're absolutely right! I failed to consider your role at the school. Gotta be careful in picking your battles. Hopefully, someone will do the right thing!
     
  12. Master Pre-K

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    Again, there’s one do-nothing in every walk of life. They don’t get fired, they get promoted.

    And become your boss.
     
  13. Milsey

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    May 20, 2018 at 8:01 PM

    Do I detect jealousy? He is obviously young and attractive, and has made a connection with the students, one necessary ingredient for effective management. Perhaps you should get to know him instead of passing judgment.
     
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    May 21, 2018 at 12:31 AM

    I had a temp job once, and the supervisor started getting friendly. Asked me to go out with him for dinner, just business of course. I thought nothing of it. Next thing I know he tells me he's divorced, and had an operation so no risks of pregnancy and I go...whoa, wait a minute!

    Not interested, just stop this.

    He says, okay, but then he's putting his hand on my shoulder when we talk, and I am flat out uncomfortable. This is before sexual harassment was a policy, or even a term.

    I told my supervisor about it, as carefully as I could. And you know what she did?

    She took me off the job.


    I had another temp job where I was a file clerk. One day, supervisor asked me to type a letter. So I did. Then she asked if I could look at a report. Back then, it was Lotus 1-2-3., (the spreadsheet software before Excel). Asked if I could add a 7 here and put a 5 there, that's all.

    Well, I decided to mention this to my supervisor. She said, it sounded like I was doing secretarial work for file clerk pay. Said she would get back to me.

    She called me back, said the job ended.

    Flash forward to this year.

    A coordinator from the funding source office comes to my room, and claims she is there to assist me, and help evaluate my class for any issues. I tell her the issues I have are with the behaviors of children in the class.

    Next thing I know, I am told that I went to her and reported some alleged abuse in one my students! Now I am fighting for my job because the owner is at risk of fighting with the protective services over getting this child's family investigated. What the hell happened? That coordinator who was there to 'help' me was looking for trouble and brewed this story because I guess she was a few parking tickets short of her quota.

    You can be right, and you can be dead right.

    You can have the right-of-way, and still get hit in a car accident, have your insurance hit, and lose time and money. Had this happen to me.

    You can win fair and square and still lose over a technicality.

    Sometimes, you just have to pick your battles.

    If this was a permanent placement and this was your paraprofessional, it would be an entirely different ball game.

    I say do nothing. Stay out of it.

    This gum may never come out of the clothes since it's now in your dryer. If somebody found it before putting the clothes in the wash, and took it out, there wouldn't be a problem. But somehow, stuff keeps managing to slip by us when we toss clothes in the washer. There's a big mess, and you want to do something.

    What can you really do?

    What difference will it make?

    How could it impact this man's job? What about the students who have now been online with him?

    What about his supervising teacher? How will it affect him/her?

    And the real question, how will this all look to your university-based teacher? Because putting out fires is a good thing, but a controversial issue with the coordinating school will cause problems with future student teachers.

    If I sound negative, I am not trying to be.

    But needless to say, nothing good has never come out of me complaining about problems everyone already knows about.
     
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    May 21, 2018 at 8:00 AM

    Hahahahaha back and better than ever!
     
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  17. Master Pre-K

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    May 21, 2018 at 8:53 PM

    One year, my high school planned their annual homecoming game. Our class president emailed everyone and got us all excited about coming to the game. Said there would be a battle of the old alumni band vs. the youngsters. And a big tailgate party in the parking lot! Some alumni said they going to bring their grill and there would be plenty of food. We started emailing each other, quoting old cheers, and challenging each other on favorite dishes, and trying to remember all the words to finish our famous fight songs!

    Well, the Friday before the game, we got an email saying the game was cancelled. The game, the parade, everything.

    A couple of football players did something, and the principal was really ticked off. So he cancelled everything.

    Those goofy kids (who probably kidnapped the opposing stuffed school's mascot) had no idea what trouble they caused. They stopped the ENTIRE game, the Homecoming Game, that many alumni look forward to attending...year after year.

    No parade
    No royal court and crowing of the the king and queen
    No battle of the bands
    No football cheers
    No tailgate party

    Nothing for us to do but take that food, eat some, freeze some and save some leftovers.

    Why didn't the principal just suspend the offenders and let the game go on?

    Why am I bringing this up?

    Apparently, this principal wanted to make a clear statement. In the end, everyone ---young and old suffered.

    Well perhaps the situation had got out of hand, and he wanted to make sure this didn't happen again.

    When there is a problem for one, it affects many. If the powers that be would deal with the situation in a timely manner, it might not have caused a fun tradition to end.

    That being said...

    Somebody at that school knows what is going on. They are just dragging their feet, waiting for this situation to REALLY explode.

    And they don't want to look like the meanie by snatching this person up by the collar.

    They are waiting for somebody to point out his problems.

    Then nobody will miss the wrath, the penalties, and the new policies as a result of one man's punishment.

    I say, when you blow the whistle, more people will be upset with you instead of being upset with him.
     
  18. Been There

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    May 23, 2018 at 11:23 AM

    Can you give us an update on your para?
     
  19. Ms.Holyoke

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    May 23, 2018 at 3:17 PM

    I'm not sure what happened. I haven't heard more about the online chatting though.
     

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