Math Praxis 5161

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  1. TeacherGroupie

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    Congratulations, B22! I'm thrilled for you!

    Let me gently disagree with you, though: nobody ever passed a teacher test purely on luck. Please take credit for what your hard work has earned you, okay? And please help your future students do likewise.
     
  2. Florenca Kolldani

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    My 35 scaled to 155 :(
    I am trying to take the test one more time next month hoping I can get to 160....
    Congratuations to all who passed!
     
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    Thank you! I was really feeling very discouraged this afternoon, but decided that it wouldn't get me anywhere. I have already gathered all of my study materials and started working again. Any tips that you may have would be greatly appreciated! Congrats on finally passing! I am so ready for that "relieved" feeling!
     
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    Congrats to all who passed. I'm technically a new member, but I've been following this thread for a while waiting for my scores from my June 6th test to be posted. I was excited about my 37/50 raw score when I finished the test, but I saw today that that only scaled to 159 (needed 160)!

    It seems that this test's scales scores were significantly lower than other tests. I've researched and read everything I can find about scoring, particularly on this test, from ETS publications, to professional articles, to forums like this one. I'm not claiming to have seen it all, but I've never seen a 37 raw score that didn't pass before. It looks like the "magic number" was 38 this time. I know there are different point values for different question types, and the "scale scoring" is supposed to account for variations in the tests' difficulty, but my goodness! I'm not saying 37/50 should be a stellar score, but when 32 questions (or 64% correct) "passes" on a different test... A variation of 6 questions on a 50-question test (counting only those that are scored) seems like a rather large discrepancy in either the tests themselves and/or the scoring. Does that seem a little "off" to anyone else?

    I mean, this isn't a person in a classroom making a test by hand. This is a huge, national testing company whose sole purpose is to make fair tests and score them uniformly. They try out at least 10 potential questions within every test, and then they have 30 more minutes' worth of optional questions they are field testing at the end of the real test. And they can't be more consistent than that? There are only 50 scored questions and the range of scores is only 100 points. I got 10 more questions right on this test than I did on my last one on May, and my score went up only 5 points. Really??? But I've seen a 38/50 from this same testing window that scaled to 164. So in effect, that single 38th question was essentially worth as many points as all 10 that I improved over last month? *sigh* (Not a jab at the 38 score, I promise. Congrats to you.) We would be fired, or at least severely reprimanded, if we tried that kind of BS in a classroom.

    On the bright side, you guys just saved me the $65 I was planning to spend to have my score reviewed. It seems that everyone's scores were proportionally skewed in this testing window. I think it's the test that needs to be contested more so than my score in particular, and the $65 wouldn't cover that, I'm sure.
     
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    Hugs, LauraNotLeft. Missing by one lousy little point isn't fun.

    I think you're right that score verification wouldn't get you very far, since you're not contesting the raw score - but you've raised some good points, and a polite inquiry to Praxis might not be out of place.
     
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    My 38 scaled to a 162! I'm pretty excited. I keep checking my score to make sure it doesn't run away
     
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    Congrats!! I know that you are so relieved! Hopefully July 9th will be my time! I am so tired of studying and paying to take this test!
     
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    Your post pointed out some great points. I honestly would have thought that a 37 would be passing. What I have read is that 32 is their "score" that lines up with 160. I have seen where a person on this forum had a 31 on April's test (I think) and their score scaled to a 165. I had a 31 on May's test and it was a 151, and then had a 32 on June's test and it was a 149. I had told myself well at least if I didn't pass, that it would be closer. I just do not understand their scoring at all... When are you taking it again?
     
  9. HSMathJen

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    Congrats!

    I seriously loving your positive outlook. I've been teaching for 16 years. Had a 4.0 in college. Have studied like crazy, failed that stupid test 10 times. Now I'm unemployed because my transitional certification is up. My dream just died.
     
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    My husband's 37 scaled to a 159! We can't believe he missed it by 1 point! :( Thought for sure it would be passing after reading through this thread.
     
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    Do you mind sharing what your previous scores have been? I've taken it several times and was heartbroken this time when I got a 155.
     
  12. innovationguy

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    For those that have been unsuccessful through conventional prep and looking for resources, Tips, Strategies and test-prep materials for the Math Praxis (5161) Exam, try

    http://praxismathguru.weebly.com/

    In general, the Praxis 5161 demands subject matter knowledge and competence at the High School level: excellent Precalculus-level algebraic skills (and slightly beyond), a robust grasp of Geometry, and command of intermediate-level (but not terribly advanced) Statistics, Trigonometry and Calculus, more mile-wide and inch-deep. Unfortunately, that requires candidates -- especially non-Math majors and career switchers -- to simply buckle down, procure resources and study materials, and commit to studying High School math. There are no short-cuts.

    Because theoretically -- even if new teachers are customarily lower-level classes like Algebra 1 and Geometry or Integrated Math 1 and 2 -- one is expected to be able to handle sophisticated Qs and offer enrichment in their curriculum: preview advanced material and engage intelligently with students.

    There are those mathematically adept and analytically strong who "get it" the 1st time around, there's no problem there. But there are others less so who have to look at a problem and think deeply about it, who need more time, who have only a rudimentary understanding of concepts, who are otherwise very strongly motivated and determined to learn and eager to teach students of similar calibre and would make terrific teachers otherwise. [Hire for attitude, train for skill!] They need more guidance and more practice at the vulnerable moment of test preparation. The site was especially designed with them in mind.

    Jay.
     
  13. B22

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    Yes here is my score list :
    Aug - 21= 132
    Sept. - 25 =139
    Oct - 31= 155
    Nov - 30= 151
    Dec - 26= 141
    Feb- 27=147
    May- 31=151
    June- 39=164
    I hope this helps, I look back on these scores and trying to study for Praxis, take finals and do my student teaching was pretty overwhelming !!! Just keep trying. YOU WII SUCCEED!!!!!!!
     
  14. vmachine

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    I agree I think the scaled score is off and the process for scoring is not logical. From my readings, it seems like they're basing scaled scores on how everyone does on that particular test. That doesn't make sense. Of course more people are going to do better on a June test, because they've studies more for it. There needs to be a set passing and failing score. It's really ridiculous. I got a 31 on my May test that scaled to a 155, this test I received a 39 and that scaled to a 164.
     
  15. B22

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    I totally AGREE as well , about the scoring!!!!!
     
  16. MathMagazine

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    I am taking the 5161 in Alabama this Friday, July 8. Any advice? What would you suggest that I study the most? I have been studying for weeks and I feel like I am just going in circles - Not really studying or focusing on any one particular area.
     
  17. AM14

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    Thank you so much for sharing this site! I have been reviewing all of the algebra online videos, and I feel like it has helped me a lot. I take the test again July 9th, so I have been trying to review all of the concepts. Hopefully this will be the one I finally pass!
     
  18. AM14

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    Good luck on your test! I take mine on the 9th
     
  19. AM14

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    Still scored a 151.... :( My raw score was 30 this time. I went up on the algebra part and went down on the other section. I need any and all suggestions to bring my score up. I am so frustrated!
     
  20. innovationguy

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    Examine the Praxis syllabus line-by-line domain by domain. Make a checklist of all the skills needed....and go about acquiring those skills. Use a solid textbook for each of precalculus, geometry, statistics, trigonometry and calculus. The first 3 are a significant component of Praxis. Do not restrict yoirself to the easiest examples while studying. Do assess your understanding via the more intermediate level conceptual Qs.

    Jay.
    www.praxismathguru.weebly.com
     

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