Length of Preparation for English CSET

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  1. natsume

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    I understand. It was I myself who read the cockiness. I know these are hard for many people, and I think my first post made it sound like I think they will be easy, which I don't. I am just lucky in that I have already had most of the preparation I need.

    I am an assistant language teacher at a regular, state-run vocational high school in Japan, working with the Japanese teachers of English, so I am an EFL teacher.
     
  2. TeacherGroupie

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    Do you teach composition?
     
  3. natsume

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    Unfortunately, no. As I said, it is a vocational school, albeit, it is not what springs to mind when one usual hears that in the states. It is an excellent and somewhat prestigious school in this region, as it has the best programs for IT, design, architecture, and mechanical engineering in the area. But it is not an academic school, so the level of English is fairly low, and writing is only focused on in the senior year. I am happy if a senior can write a (1) paragraph, with few structural or grammatical errors, and I can understand it. It's a kind of composition, but not really what we think of as expository writing.
     
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    You know the difference, then; that figures into Subtests I and III, each of which tests non-literary text and its analysis. You could practice for Subtest III by using the question from the online test plus a passage of your choosing from some English-language resource that might be available to students, or at least to especially sophisticated students. In fact, if you wanted to come up with a passage and post it here, that could make for an interesting shared exercise.

    Feel free to ask further questions.
     
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    You'll find some notes and glossaries on the thread "Elmer's English resources."
     
  7. TeacherGroupie

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    Let me also suggest looking through the threads on CSET English and on other states' tests for high-school English/language arts; there are many resources sprinkled here and there, plus an assortment of discussions you might find useful.
     
  8. natsume

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    Thanks to everybody for the help. I don't know how I did, I took all four sections on the 14th. My gut feeling is not good....and not bad. I will not be surprised if I did not pass a section or two, and I will not be entirely surprised if I did (barely) pass them all.

    My thoughts - it is VERY difficult to do all sections in one sitting. I had just enough time to finish, but not enough to check my work. I also felt it was very much to my disadvantage that I had to handwrite my answers. I was not aware of how much I have become a writer who composes using the tools of word processing, and the easy editing it allows. I tend to write/think in chunks of ideas that can easily be moved around as I compose. I had written out answers to the sample questions by typing, keeping it within the time limits, and I feel I did a far better job on those than on the test proper, as it is so easy for me to quickly clean up/revise a first draft. I don't know how to write an excellent first draft, which is what we have to do on these tests if we are trying to cram it all in in one sitting. (I live outside of the country, so I didn't have much choice.)

    Oh, well, I will report back on the 13th (I think) when the results arrive in my inbox.
     
  9. TeacherGroupie

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    Have a hug, natsume. I rather suspect your results will be more good than not.
     
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    I'm Panicked!

    Hi everyone,

    I NEED NEED help passing the English CSET on May 16th. I was going to go to a course here in Los Angeles, but it got canceled out of nowhere. That was my only hope! Now I have no idea what to do.
    I need to pass this exam on this date before I can continue on with the credential program I am currently enrolled in.
    I wasn't an English major so I am really panicking. I have no idea what I'm going to do or how I'm going to pass. Please if there is any information or any help any of you can give me I would really appreciate it!

    Thank you so much!
     
  11. TeacherGroupie

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    Do you need all four subtests, or what?
     
  12. thatoneguy

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    I'm taking the English CSET this weekend, after about 2 weeks of prep. We'll see how it goes.

    How many questions can I miss on the multiple choice portions (Subtests 1 and 2) and still pass? Is that information known or not?
     
  13. TeacherGroupie

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    Welcome to A to Z, thatoneguy.

    I'm afraid "How many questions can I miss?" misses the mark a bit - because it's difficult to write questions of exactly equivalent difficulty, the algorithm that converts raw scores (questions right) to scaled scores includes fudge factors - so it's difficult to say exactly how many questions one needs correct on any given version of any teacher test. It's also worth pointing out that four questions on each of those subtests aren't scored: they're being field-tested for inclusion in later versions of the test. With all that said, though, if you get 70% correct on each subtest you should pass, and perhaps with a bit of room to spare.

    What's your background in English?
     
  14. thatoneguy

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    Just that I've always been good at writing/vocab/spelling and love to read. Luckily for me I did some SAT English tutoring last semester so I brushed up on some basic grammar terminology. I tend to more know the "feel" of the language rather than the correct grammatical terms.

    I'm also pretty weak when it comes to literature eras/genres/etc. Literature was never particularly interesting to me. Neither was poetry. So on the questions that ask me to identify what movement these three authors were a part of, or what kind of poetry this particular poet represents - I don't do as well.

    I took and passed the Social Science CSET last year - this English CSET is for a supplementary authorization - so I try to tie what I know of history in when it comes to literary school questions and it helps sometimes.

    I minored in Speech Communication and have gobs of public speaking experience; everything I've seen related to Subtest IV makes me think it will be a cinch. I'm more worried about how I'll do on I and II...I've taken 3 practice tests so far though and the lowest I scored was a 72% today on a test that I think had a few too many questions on illiteracy statistics and that I didn't pay much attention to - so if 70% is a safe-ish benchmark then I think I'll be okay.

    With the time I have left (not plentiful, I'm student teaching and have a 2 year old at home), I'm basically going to take one more practice test tomorrow (the second test in the Cliffs prep book) and then do some perusing of the flashcards I made re: literary genres/grammatical stuff. Does that sound suitable?

    I'm taking all 4 subtests on Saturday.
     
  15. TeacherGroupie

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    Use your flashcards to help you learn the terminology and the theory behind your feel for English - the terminology, and the correct use of it, can be vital when it comes to helping other people stop making bad choices in their writing.

    The literacy questions are there because one of the jobs of a teacher of English/language arts is to teach language arts, which is to say reading and writing. There again, the terminology makes it a good deal easier to sort out what's wrong and why.
     
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    New and Thankful

    I am slated to take the test in March and have just begun dusting the cobwebs off my once rhetorical brain. Finding this thread is something akin to uncovering the needle in the haystack. Muchas Gracias!
     
  17. TeacherGroupie

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    De nada, porkchopster. Feel free to ask whatever questions you have - for one thing, posing the question that someone else hadn't gotten around to can be very good for your karma.
     
  18. melaniemelanie

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    WOW!

    What a GOLD MINE! Today is Study Day #1, and I'm planning on taking all four subtests in July. Do you think I should register for the May test, and split up the pressure between May and July?

    My original plan was to take all four in July.

    I'm going to be hunkering down and studying studying studying hard! I am currently a Visual Arts teacher, looking to go back to school and get a MA in English Ed.

    You guys are the best! I'm printing all of this thread off as I type!

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
     
  19. TeacherGroupie

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    People have been known to pass the whole of CSET English in one go - but nothing says that's the wisest course for everyone.

    Your background in visual arts will have equipped you to analyze artworks. With literature you're working with different elements, of course, but please look for the points of contact between what you know and what you need to know. (Rhythm is a design principle of the arts - but rhythm is also all over the place in literature.)

    Oh, and pay it forward, please.
     
  20. melaniemelanie

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    Thanks, TeacherGroupie. I most definitely will be paying it forward!

    Hey, has anyone used "ACE the English CSET" software to study? I'm contemplating buying it (50 bucks) to help study. Anyone have experience with it?
     

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