I don't remember acting like that

Discussion in 'Substitute Teachers' started by Mr Magoo, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. Pashtun

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    I don't know, but I think a sub could follow this with success.

    If a student is doing something that may cause a sub to yell, scold, or threaten if they follow your plan, what would you expect them to do without it? They just let the behavior go and write it down?

    I just think what you describe above would be very simple for a sub to follow(except for consequences such as calling home), if a student starts to argue about the consequence(which they likely already know what to expect the consequence to be) then just write it down for the teacher.

    A sub is not "likely" to let a student make and fly paper airplanes in class. So, wouldn't following the first few steps of your plan be more effective than just letting them "do it on their own", especially when students already know what your behavior plan is, what the likely consequences are, and that arguing does not work?

    I am not sure why a sub would be more likely to yell or scold a student when using your plan than going it alone without the plan.

    If you have your rules posted, a student doesn't follow the rule, the sub applies the consequence, the student argues or refuses..etc. the sub is told to let it go and inform the teacher in writing.

    For example, using The "smarter classroom management" website for an example of consequences.
    1. warning
    2. in class time-out
    3. note home

    If the student broke 2 rules, receives a warning, the an in class time-out. Student argues and tries to refuse. The teacher is told not to argue with the student, simply write it to me(the teacher in a note) or the student complies according to the plan.

    Student breaks 3 rules, I would advise them to follow first 2 steps and leave a note to the teacher for the 3rd step. A sub would not have the student take the note home.

    I am thinking out loud, if this comes across as arguing, it is more about my teaching than yours.
     
  2. Peregrin5

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    No I understand! Again I think it might work if you put all of that thought into your sub plans. For me, my sub plans are usually long enough as it is, and I honestly just don't feel like adding all of that in there. LOL. If they have small problems, they just write down names. If they have bigger problems they call admin.

    So I definitely think its possible, but I'm just lazy. :p
     
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  3. Linguist92021

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    For me I provide a seating chart and write that students must sit in their assigned seats. I tell the sub to hand out pencils but make sure he gets them back. I let them know exactly how to conduct the lesson. I leave the names of 2-3 students in each class whom they can ask for assistance or clarification (and they would be completely honest and helpful). I let them know about my no phone policy, to not touch anything on my desk, no one is leaving the room for bathroom / water, etc.

    I assume the sub would know how to handle the class, to make sure no one is talking while he's talking, or what to do if someone refuses to not sit in his seat. So I provide the rules / guidance, but I'm not telling the sub what to do minute to minute.
    I'm not expecting them to make calls home. Either leave me the names of bad students or handle them. I just expect the work to be done and the classroom the way I found it.
    It's pretty simple.
     
  4. RussianBlueMommy

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    Magoo, You perhaps need to pursue something other than teaching, even subbing seems to be too much for you to handle at times? Sending EIGHT kids to the office is ridiculous. In my 3 years of subbing I have had 2 office referrals, and both were for flat out physical violence. The problem comes is they will continue to disrespect you because they know you can't (or won't ) do anything about it.
    Personally, I want the students to know I mean business. If you let the principal handle so much, you give up your power which is awful in the long run. It's also a good way to get blocked as you need to control the classroom.
     
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  5. Mr Magoo

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  6. Pashtun

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    Feb 24, 2017

    Sounds like you do more writing than the students:)
     
  7. substeacher

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    Feb 24, 2017

    Mr. Magoo,

    Rather than writing referrals to the office, another alternative for when students don't want to listen to you is to tell them that if they don't follow your instructions you'll write a note to the teacher reporting their refusal to follow instructions. Just be sure that you know the student's name when you give this threat because the first thing they'll do is ask if you even know who they are. Nine times out of ten, they'll do what you want them to do after you say this to them if they realize you can repeat their name back to them. You'll have saved yourself the effort of writing referrals, and you'll get them to do what you want at the same time. This strategy worked wonders for me when I was subbing.
     
  8. greendream

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    Feb 24, 2017

    I feel like we get granular detail about every negative interaction you have with students--almost a transcript of events. It's... interesting.
     
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