HELP PLEASE! CSET English Subtest III

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  1. Education

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    Don't waste your $ on Karen McDermott's CSET classes

    Hi all,
    Sorry to disagree with some of the posts regarding Karen McDermott's CSET class.. but I would hate for anyone to waste their money.
    - She runs an unprofessional class-- (she actually made fun of two of the four classmembers behind their backs to me!) It really made me wonder what she said about me when I looked the other way.
    -She then proceeded to fill us in on her personal life, how her Dad was dying back East, but she did not feel she should give up her cheap apartment (and trust me-- it must be cheap), and that she shouldn't have to put up with her Mother.
    -Her apartment was very, very hot. And I was at many sessions!
    -She only provided two seats that had a place to write, I was not fortunate enough to have one of those seats!
    -One girl had babysitting problems and Karen not only commented on how it was her loss.. but later come to find out she never returned the girls emails asking if she could come to later sessions to make up for the lost money she had paid Karen.
    -Her study guide was nothing out of the ordinary.. she merely read it.
    -One class she was not prepared with any print outs and said she would be going to a copy store during our 1/2 hour break to make copies.. she never ended up doing that.
    -Anyhow, I would try a self help group before going back to her. After I pass the next test-- I will let you know how it goes.
     
  2. glam160

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    Study Guides

    Did you like Karen McDermotts study guides? Would you be willing to sell them?
     
  3. Jason32

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    Do not take Karen McDermott's class. I took it before I took subtest III and failed badly. After that I used my regular writing style and only failed by 15 -20 points. I have been taking this test for two years and have never passed. The grading is just someone's opinion and either they like your writing or they don't. There's nothing to study so either you pass or you don't. I'm studying now for the math test.

    Don't feel bad if you can't pass III. Not everyone can and you'll just have to look for another credential.
     
  4. Special-t

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    I got my BA in English. I failed sub-test III (and IV) the 1st time I took them. I passed the second time by changing the tone of my responses to teacher instead of student. I used an instructional voice as if I was teaching a class of high school students. This little tweak of changing my audience transformed my responses quite a bit.
     
  5. sliving4

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    These classes are only for Math, Science and Multiple Subject

     
  6. TeacherGroupie

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    I think I posted that a while back, too, sliving4. Hugs.
     
  7. Deaflass

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    Need help with CSET subtest 3/Passed all others on first try

    This one is really getting me down. I don't understand. I keep getting the same score repeatedly, 207. My score reads as k,s in composition and rhetoric, k in reading literature and informational texts. I've been studying each time and made flash cards of my literary terms. I do know that I seem to draw blanks in my mind and don't feel like it's enough time to compose a quality essay. I tried to figure out a formula for passing such as there are ten quotes to support and ten literary terms mentioned. I've taken this test quite a few times. I'm a skilled writer and I just don't get it. I don't think that my deafness is getting in the way of my writing abilities. Can anyone offer tutoring or exact tips beyond my formula?

    Thank you and waiting with bated breath for a reply!
     
  8. desertholly8

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    Got a "Not Passed" status for Subtest III for second time today. I, too, passed the other subtests first time around. I am in no hurry to retake as I am fully employed and have two other teaching credentials. However, it is frustrating to come so close and not pass each time and very challenging. I want to really improve my writing overall as well pass this test once and for all. I am willing to study with someone or hire a tutor. I live in North Los Angeles County. Please point me in the right direction if you have any recommendations. Thanks!
     
  9. TeacherGroupie

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    Hugs, desertholly8. What are you seeing by way of diagnostics on your score reports?
     
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    Comp & Rhetoric 1 k,d
    Reading Literature and Informational Texts 2 p,s
    Overall constructed response ++
    27 Points from passing this last time around and I know I didn't write quickly enough both times! Cut short both times. I am guessing they want me to write more and with more terminology. "P" means I need a stronger purpose statement... What is the best way to improve my writing overall? ...Not just for this test... I really enjoy writing and am feeling very rusty. Thanks!
     
  11. TeacherGroupie

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    For Comp & Rhetoric, you seem to have been on the right track in your analysis (since you weren't given a p), and you must have supported your analysis with evidence (since you weren't given an s). The k almost certainly could be resolved by slinging around more technical terminology - this means correct labels for argumentation and failures in argumentation but also naming sentence or clause types (where relevant), mechanical and grammatical errors, and even parts of speech. That d is short for "breadth and depth", or needing to dig deeper in your analysis beyond the stratum of high-school-senior competence to a level more appropriate to an English teacher. It wouldn't surprise me to find that when you resolve that k, the d will also go away.

    (I indulge here a TeacherGroupie rant: The reason people need to learn to label parts of speech and various types of clauses and clause connections is not because labeling them is interesting (though, actually, it is) but so that they/we - student writers, teachers, editors, and more - can rely on those terms as shorthand in discussing and fixing writing, without having to explain each one of them every time. End of rant. Well, at least for the moment.)

    For the lit task - in Subtest III, the change in the name of the domain notwithstanding, the task that isn't Comp & Rhet is still very much a literature task, thankyouverymuch - you've been assigned exactly the opposite diagnostics. The CSET people call p "purpose", but it amounts to "point", as in getting (and conveying) the point of the Lit question and the passages that go with it. Either you had trouble seeing what you were supposed to see in the passages, or you had trouble expressing what you saw. The s indicates a lack of evidence given to support the analysis: crucially, the evidence comes from the passages in question.

    As for the best way to improve your writing, it is to read and to write, lots. Feedback can help.
     
  12. desertholly8

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    :thanks:Thanks for the score analysis...not that I remember a whole lot about what the writing prompts were with the scores published a whole month later... If anyone knows an effective tutor who can give me feedback regularly and of any good study strategies, please let me know.
     
  13. bananas1964

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    I'm in the same boat! I've missed the Eng Cset 3 by about 10 points, 3 times! I'm experiencing the same feedback. K,d, and I've also received a p before. I think my approach is wrong and I need to switch my tone in the responses. I also tend to rush a little on the longer response, due to the fact that I come close to running out of time. I'm so determined to pass this monster! Any tips? I appreciate anybody's feedback!

    Lisa
     
  14. TeacherGroupie

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    Who do you have in mind as an audience when you write your responses, bananas1964?
     
  15. bananas1964

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    I would say my audience in mind is an educated reader. I think that I am so focused on writing a response that seems intelligent, that I am missing out on the fact that I should just respond naturally to what I've read. I just can point out what exactly am I doing wrong. Thanks for responding! HELP!!
     
  16. TeacherGroupie

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    CSET English scorers are teachers of English, or sometimes professors who teach teachers of English; they're looking for evidence that a test taker is equipped to be effective in the English classroom, so they want to see skilled analyses of the literary passages and of the non-literary text, and they expect to see the technical terminology of language and literature. Have a look at the glossaries attached to the thread "Elmer's English resources, revived", at the top of the Single Subject Tests subforum; if you don't know those terms, learn them to the point that you can use them.
     
  17. bananas1964

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    Thanks so much! You have been a great deal of help. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
     
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    So, I know I am late to the game, however, I am currently looking for a tutor. I took all of my CSET's five years ago and passed thanks to Karen, but she is no longer tutoring. I am a single mom and had to leave the credential program 5 years ago because of divorce. Now, I am re-entering the program but two of my CSET's have expired and I need to retake them before I can student teach. Is anybody still out there and if you are, do you have a recommendation for a tutor or study materials. I heard that the CSET's have changed since I last took them all. :/ Any information would be helpful.
     
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    Welcome to A to Z, ReadAndWrite. Which subtests do you need to repeat?
     
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    Hi. Right now #2. Next month #4. after that #1 and #3. I passed all 4 CSET's five years ago but had to leave the credential program because of divorce and one income with three young kids. I don't know what I was thinking but I forgot that they had an expiration date. Now that I am able to come back, with only 16 weeks of student teaching left to do, and TPA's, to get my credential, I need to re-take my CSET's. Ugh. I'm so rusty right now with all of this but I want to get my student teaching done already so I need to conquer these exams. I heard that they changed the exam so I am looking for any information I can find to help me study, including a tutor, if there is one out there.
     

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