HELP PLEASE! CSET English Subtest III

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  1. jennyscout

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    Anyone interested in selling their Orange County prep materials?

    I was just wondering if anyone wanted to sell or loan their Orange County CSET prep materials for English. They're probably all written over huh? I went to the site but don't know if I want to pay that much for the materials. The test was expensive enough. :( I downloaded Elmer's stuff too. I'm taking it in 12 days or so!
     
  2. jjaskin

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    I used Karen McDermott. She was and is the exclusive CSET English Tutor LAUSD sends people to when they have trouble passing the first time. She helped me before my first and I passed, no sweat. You can call her at 818-648-6707. She is the best, gives you texts, and is really inexpensive.
    BEst of Luck!
     
  3. djquincy

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    CSET ENGLISH III

    Hi,

    I am new here, and have had trouble passing English subtest III. I passed the other three tests with ease, but have taken subtest III three times.

    I have faired very well as a writer, so I have been told, but I just can't seem to pass this.

    Does anyone have any advice as to what to study, supplemental materials, courses. I am scheduled to take the next test Sept 15, 07. Please, please, please help.

    Thank you,

    David
     
  4. TeacherGroupie

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    Where, roughly, are you located, djquincy?
     
  5. djquincy

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    I am in Hawthorne, CA.
     
  6. TeacherGroupie

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    Have you looked through the lists of literary terms, etc., in the "elmer's English resources" thread at the top of the forum?
     
  7. sully500

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    So, I'm taking the CSET too! And, Who's "Karen?"

    I would like to know who's Karen that helped TinaMarie pass the test! She's the person I'd like to meet, too!

    I've only taken one (CSET I) and passed ok, but I took one only because I had been very sick with Bronchitis for over a month, and tried to cancel, but thought I could probably handle one. So I passed.

    Now I'm taking II and III. I am worred about the III as everyone is telling horror stories about the passing rate. I am taking these tests tomorrow, but I would still like to know who Karen is, since I may be NOT passing (as it seems to be the norm). Please, (TinaMarie?) let me in on the story here. I am excited you got a job so quickly after passing! But I am discouraged I put in 25-30 apps, and have gotten only five replies; all "sorry, but no thanks." I really need to complete my student teaching...Only one actually said something about the possibility of an interview.
     
  8. jjaskin

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    karen mcdermott. check out her website--google her name
     
  9. DWLedger

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    CSET III English Subtest


    I too share your frustrations! I took it the first time, all 4 subtests, without studying and passed 1, 2. and 4, but failed 3 by 16 points. Then I got a tutor (a HS English teacher) and all the prep materials and cliff notes. And found out yesterday I missed it by 32 points this time. To file a complaint you have to pay to convene a boarsd and be orally grilled after paying for the board! My sense is that the it's all abritrary and based upon who grades it. However, they will not question themselves at all. You are told you do not meet the standards and you have no right to have the work you did before reviewed. This seems unethical and unfair, and a bit of a rigged ripoff of a system. We must not question the state? Reminds me of my Holocaust studies. I am going through my intern program office in Tulare County, where I live, and they are giving the class in September for 60.00 (and of course another test fee). They absolutely will not second guess their graders. How I came within 16 without cracking a book and then missed by 32 after prepping with a tutor is unexplainable. I found you whhile googling complaints about CEST and if i can, I will let you know if i find a group that has anything to offer. This is unfair!

    Dave
     
  10. TeacherGroupie

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    DWLedger, my sympathies. Have you gotten your printed score report? If so, what are you seeing on side 2?
     
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    And again...

    I have just got my results yesterday after taking a prep class, and lo & behold, I have failed again. first without cracking a book I missed by 16, then study guides, cliff's notes, and a tutor got me a score that missed by 32. Now, after taking a prep class I have missed by the same exact amount as I missed when i neve cracked a book! I don't get it. My job is on the line. How can they get away with not even allowing a non-biased third party review the results. They are obviously human graded... It's all essays. So frustrating!
     
  12. jellybeans23

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    Is Subtest III only essay responses? Or are there few multiple choice questions as well?
     
  13. TeacherGroupie

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    Subtest III consists of two essay responses: one on literature and one on non-literary prose. CSET English is unique among subject-matter CSETs in that all its subtests have either multiple choice or constructed responses questions but not both.
     
  14. tinman

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    I'm a little confused about subtest iii. I understand that there are two essays required: one on literary text and the other on non-literary text. In the prep material I've been looking at, there've been examples for compare & contrast essays for the literary portion, but there have also been non-compare & contrast essays (just one text) for the literary portion.

    My question is, do the compare & contrast prompts apply to either the literary or non-literary texts, or do they sometimes not occur at all?

    Thanks in advance to anyone who has a better idea than I do.
     
  15. TeacherGroupie

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    My understanding is that it's always one compare-and-contrast essay with two literary texts plus one analysis of non-literary text.
     
  16. tinman

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    I had a feeling that's the way it has been/will be on the test. Thanks, TeacherGroupie.
     
  17. ED U. Cation

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    System Rigged

    I, too, have flunked a CSET module twice, English IV, which is extremely odd because I have, at various times, made a living as an actor and filmmaker, and TAUGHT both at the college level in TX. I have made numerous public speeches and won a slew of awards for creative writing. The point is, on module IV I am at an expert level.

    The first time I wrote it off as maybe having responded too quickly; I took all four modules in one sitting, last one out of the test room, took ALL the time allotted and still needed more.

    The second time I answered leisurely and thoroughly. The answers were good, they were comprehensive. When the results came back, I had the same grade...........

    Trying to obtain feedback is a nightmarish ordeal of circuitous answers. CSET is administered by Pearson Education, an educational mega-corporation. They stonewall at their end: the graders of the tests are "professional educators" which either means ex-professors who are obviously no longer in touch with real world, if they ever were. Or perhaps they are functionary minions who are trained to scan for buzzwords, or worse yet, simply NIX a set amount of tests based on a predesignated quota of tests that are allowed to pass. I can only guess at these things because I CANNOT TALK TO SOMEONE WHO WILL GIVE ME STRAIGHT FEEDBACK. Could you imagine what would happen if we, as teachers, kept giving students the same test, without feedback, until they passed!!!!!

    I'M MAD AS HELL AND WILL BE DAMNED IF I PAY THIS CORPORATION TO TAKE THIS TEST AGAIN OR PAY TO HAVE THEM EVALUATE OR PAY TO HAVE A REVIEW! The board has OUTSOURCED their responsibility to a company who's vested interest is in having applicants PAY to feed their bottom line.

    Could it be that Pearson, and by extension, the Board, designates that only X amount of tests can be passed per year due to the market demand? Or that they've determined that because there IS a market that THEY can get away with demanding applicants take the test numerous times? What other explanation would there be for creating such a corrupt, frustrating and shrouded process? As educators, HOW CAN WE TAKE THIS?

    I would like to hear from any and all applicants having the same issues. Ed4Justice@gmail.com
     
  18. TeacherGroupie

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    Welcome to A to Z, Ed U. Cation. Your story isn't that uncommon. Take a look at side 2 of your score report: the distribution of plus marks (in both multiple choice and constructed response) and letters of the alphabet (in constructed response) can give useful feedback as to what needs to change for next time.
     
  19. ED U. Cation

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    I got all checks on the back with "answered some of the items correctly". This is BS. They would be lucky to have ME grade their responses, I'm that confident my answers were on-point and more than adequate for the elementary questions they asked.
     
  20. TeacherGroupie

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    You're clearly upset, ED U. Cation, and for that you have my sympathy.

    It's worth noting that checkmark doesn't mean an excellent performance but rather one that simply didn't show obvious shortcomings in purpose, knowledge, and support. In other words, a checkmark answer is good as far as it goes - but it should have gone farther. Answers that should go farther are most often written from insufficient knowledge, but sometimes they reflect the assumption that the questions are (too) elementary.

    If you choose to retake CSET English Subtest IV, you might try this approach: Write your response as though the question had been raised by an esteemed and capable colleague seeking either a quick refresher before teaching a lesson or a peer's insight into your thinking on the topic. If a bright literature teacher asked you about blocking or stagecraft, or if a gifted actor or director requested your feedback on a passage of her writing, I'm guessing that you'd not stint on the technical terminology but that you might explain some terms and you might take care to shed a bit more light on your thought process than you would with someone who knows the field better. Go for that density of technical terminology combined with that collegial tone.
     

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