Help new CSET biology? Need advice

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  1. BrilliantBubba

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    Hi elinmrk,
    I am so sorry to hear about your results. I can't imagine the frustration.

    But tell me - because I saw your first post where you said you have a degree in biology - did you major in biology? What degree exactly? And was this degree earned at a California university? Because it may matter.

    I'm asking because if you have enough units in biology (at least 30 units I believe), you won't need to take the CSET 217... but *please doublecheck me on that via the CTC website.* I was a Bio major for almost 3 years before I switched to Liberal Studies.. and I had to take all the 3 CSET exams, ONLY because I didn't have any Physics units (which I avoided in college like a plague, haha!). If I had taken 6 units of Physics, I would've saved $400 from taking all those 3 exams!

    Anyway, after passing the 118 and 119, I was too impatient on waiting for the results of the CSET 217, so I went ahead and got all my paperwork ready and sent off my credential application for just the Foundational General Science credential. If I were you, I would get all the paperwork and transcripts ready and send them off to CTC already. It takes them a few months to review anyway. There is a comment box on the last page of the 41-4 application form where you can give a comment to the fact that you were a Biology major / degree. The burden of proof is on your part, so you should include all course descriptions of the science courses you took. Those courses may very well waive you from re-taking CSET 217. Please doublecheck me and look into it. I am assuming you have done your student teaching?

    Linking the CTC info just as reference - https://www.ctc.ca.gov/docs/default-source/leaflets/cl560c.pdf?sfvrsn=8db75dfc_0
     
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  2. Tiffany1234

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    Hi BrilliantBubba, what exactly can you teach with just the Foundational GS credential?
     
  3. BrilliantBubba

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    With the Foundational Gen Sci credential you are qualified to teach Middle School Science. Depending on your state and school district, you can also do 9th grade Science - so the general, basic science crowds... Schools are moving towards Integrated science these days, so not sure how that applies to those of us who just have the Foundational credential.

    At this point, though, I think school districts just need teachers who at least have Foundational Science. I sent my fee in for Foundational Science (if you passed the 1st CSET exam - 215 is it?) only because I couldn't tell if I passed my last CSET exam for Bio (I did end up passing it, after failing once).

    If you just send fee in for the specific science, I believe it's assumed you can teach Gen. Sci, even if you don't have a Foundational (because you had to take the Gen Sci test anyway to get your Bio/Chem/Phys credential). Doublecheck me on that, though!
     
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    Ah, okay. Thanks so much. I asked the CTC the same question and never got a reply! I'm really disappointed in the whole thing and it's becoming increasingly obvious why CA has such a shortage of teachers! The whole system needs a big ol' facelift!

    I get my 215 results today and have 217 scheduled for the end of the month. There appears to be a lot of overlap in terms of content. I'm assuming 217 is more detailed?
     
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  5. TeacherGroupie

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    215 is the test required for the Foundational-level Science credential, which entitles one to teach physical science and life science, and courses that integrate physical science and life science on the level of grade 9 and below. (Are there elementary schools with science teachers? Not very many, but they do exist.) 217 goes into more depth, but in biology: among other things, where 215 presupposes some exposure to some laboratory science, 217 presupposes knowledge of lab procedures that are specific to biology.

    It is a good idea to put questions like this to the credential analysts at one's local county office of education.
     
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  6. BrilliantBubba

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    Yesssss, totally agree about CA having a hard time attracting qualified teachers, especially science ones! So many hurdles to jump over, so to speak! Oooh, I hope happy news are in store for you for your CSET 215! Yes, I do remember there is some overlap... I just glazed over the overlaps since it was fairly fresh for me because of the previous test and focused on the material that didn't overlap. I do remember pulling up the new NGSS standards and studying those in comparison to the old science standards (not much difference), to help with my studying.
     

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