{gasp} i Passed both Math Subtest I & II (!!!)

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  1. 360dHEX

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    don't intend on taking Subtest III anytime soon either ... whew! (big load off my shoulders, esp on the First Try too!! i gotta say i was SO NERVOUS tho) okay, enough about me ..... if anyone is interested in purchasing my study materials (at a good discount) let me know ... i'll even throw in a decent 30 minute Guidance Session for free! ... THANKS FOR READING ... woohooOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have:
    CLIFFS Math CSET PrepBook (Subtests I+II+III) $20
    REA Math CSET Book (Subtests I+II+III) $20
    OCDE Prep Book (Subtests I) $30
    OCDE Prep Book (Subtests II) $30
    * the more you buy, the bigger the discount

    obnoxious-face time :down::up::thanks::unsure::eek::cool::(;):p
     
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  3. TeacherGroupie

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    Well done, 360dHEX!
     
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    Thanks Teacher Groupie!

    i totally thought i failed Subtest I tho:eek:
     
  5. TeacherGroupie

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    You wouldn't be the first person who felt awful about a subtest but turned out to have passed.
     
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    Congratulations!!!!
     
  7. Malcolm

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    Congratulations!

    What did you think about the OCDE materials?
     
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    Thanks guys!

    Yea, some of the Subtest I Qs were definitely "over my head"

    i thought the OCDE books were the best out of the bunch (a little "rough" --- as they are in "notes form" --- but the lessons & practice questions are worth it)

    BTW ... i was Not a math major at all ... my last math class was in high school (i majored in information systems and marketing!!)
     
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    Congrats. I was convinced I had failed subtest I as well, only to pass it. When I walked out of subtest II it was a much different (better) feeling. I think people with business backgrounds have a much easier time with subtest II, much more up our alley.

    Congrats! But, might as well get III out of the way before too much longer... =) (says the man who passed the first two on the first try, failed III once after studying for only two days and hasn't gone back).
     
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    While one can probably make a career of teaching math without the full credential, certainly if all you want to teach is middle school and probably even for high school, now is the time to pass subtest 3 if you think it is in your future. You are on a roll, keep it going if your goal is a full math credential.

    Of course, even with the foundational level math credential allows you to teach through Algebra 2 (that was confirmed by the CTC last year). Very few students at most schools go beyond that. So, most of the jobs don't require a full credential although it may still be worth pursuing. I was just offered a $3000 signing bonus because I have the full math credential even though I will almost certaily be teaching prealgebra and algebra initially. Doesn't apply to folks with just the foundational level credential.

    Interesting, my major was business information systems and I had to take calculus and statistics (didn't have the opportunity of AP Calculus when I went to high school)...

    FWIW everyone I ever talked to who took subtest 1 came out thinking they failed. The sheer breadth of the topics combined with the obtusely worded questions just about ensures it. I think unless you are a recent math graduate there will be something on it that you just did not prepare for.
     
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    hats off to you.
     
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    Congrats!
     
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    Congrats on passing. I am interested in buying your study materials. Just send me a message. Thanks
     
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    hey gang!

    i'm not sure that i'm going to "love" teaching math (i'm at a point in my life where i'm trying to find something that i would love to do) ... just another reason to hold off on subtest iii

    i think the "curve" for subtest i is higher/lower/steeper/flatter/shorter/longer (which ever one means that it's "graded more leniently") ... see how well i studied??:woot::D:sorry::eek:hmy:

    thanks for the cheers ppl!

    now all i have to do is get into a program!:up:
     
  15. Malcolm

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    You should have no problem getting into a program with CSET math under your belt...

    Do you have a potential backup subject if you find you don't like teaching math? Mine was science. Strangely, it actually came in handy last year because I wound up teaching biology and earth science. I'll be back to math in the fall.

    CSET Math subtest 1 is pretty lenient. According to CTC documents, the scaled passing score of 220 was initially set at about 57% of the possible raw points. There isn't any reason to assume that this has changed significantly. Subtest 2 requires a slightly higher raw score, subtest 3 slightly higher still.

    Think about it. If you can do slightly better than eliminating two of the choices on each MC question and then guessing, and 2s on the CR questions, you might pass. And, I've said it before, it is possible to pass without a single point from the CR questions if you do well enough on the MC.
     
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    passed cset III

    Finally Passed math cset III after 2 attempts. This test was quite easy compared to the previous one or I might have been more prepared, I cannot remember. A load is off my head.
    Is there a way to figure how much I scored. For multiple choice I have 3 plus signs in calculus and for history of math. and for the constructive response questions I have overall 3 plus signs. What do the 3 plus signs mean in terms of percentage? Is there such corelation? What does a check mark mean?
    Thanks
     
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    It seems plausible that the plus marks correspond to quartile correct - so + may be up to 25% correct, ++ may be 26% to 50% correct, +++ may be 51% to 75% correct, and ++++ may be 76% correct and up. I don't know that that's true but haven't yet encountered a more compelling (or more official) explication.

    A checkmark indicates that that constructed response didn't fall significantly short in satisfying the purpose, knowledge, and support (and, for an extended answer, breadth and depth) expected for the question. Getting a checkmark doesn't mean one aced the question, however.

    It's worth noting that getting +++ does not necessarily correlate with passing.

    I will crawl out on a limb to venture that you passed with a little room to spare but not a lot - 230 to 250 points, maybe. But don't quote me.
     
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    Congratulations on passing subtest 3!

    I get the feeling that the + signs relate to quartile of the available raw points, +++ meaning between 50% and 75% ("many correct" in NES speak). If so, as TG indicates, you may get +++ in all areas, and still not pass if you are at the low end of the quartile because passing raw scores are generally between roughly 60% and 70% of the raw points (with some notable exceptions).

    It think we all would like to know what our actual score was. But I think it is really pretty meaningless. A passing score means you have, in the opinion of the CTC, the minimum subject matter knowledge required to be successful as a first year teacher and nothing more. A person who passes with 100% doesn't necessarily know significantly more about the subject than someone who just scrapes by, particularly given different forms of the test, differences in how different individuals cope with the test, and differences in how an individual copes with the test from one administration to the next.
     
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    Not to mention the occasional accidental gap in knowledge, where someone knows the material generally but happens not to have a particular piece of information on hand. That's one of the reasons I like the fact that one doesn't have to ace the test in order to pass it.
     
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    Hmm, with regards to different forms of the test it would be very safe to assume that these tests are reliable: a psychometry term indicating that in the long run, different editions of the test would yield similar results for the same individual, ceteris paribus.

    That, after all, is a paramount goal of a good assessment instrument.

    In the absence of additional information, I would be disposed to conclude that a chap in the top 5-10th percentile has significantly greater - not a colloquial expression but a statistical one - understanding and grasp of Math than one in the 65th-75th percentile...and in an administrative capacity, I'd readily employ such a fellow over another. Sorry, but I know quite a few Math teachers with abysmal conceptual knowledge and horrendous skills.

    While the CSET establishes minimum standards of competence, it doesn't cut it for me and I should be loath to have anyone but the top scorers teach upper-level Math - the rest ought to take more Math classes and demonstrate soundness. [Yes, that would defeat the purpose of the CSETto be sure.... - I can imagine a fellow exclaiming: "Hmmph, I passed the bloody tests, confound you!" - but I earnestly do not believe Subtests I and III to be valid tests i.e. examinations designed to suitably and rigorously measure what they intend to.]

    Since the CCTC does not require that NES reveal passing scores on the CSET, the absurd upshot of it all is: one might barely have passed all 3 Math Subtests...yet, be deemed qualified to teach Precalculus / Calculus! But clearly, to bestow classes as these on such a patently unprepared bloke would be an outrage upon hapless students. Now, I shall vouchsafe the point that no school is likely going to require a greenhorn to teach advanced Math courses, but several years of experience teaching Algebra 1 / Geometry does not automatically confer expertise in Precalculus and beyond. Again, a low score [as in the minimal standards being barely met: << 80th percentile] - for me - indicates insufficient mastery.

    Furthermore, I'd require ALL prospective Math teachers - Math majors / otherwise - to take the Single Subject Math tests. Here's why: there are too many "Math majors" who can't prove a simple proposition in Geometry [no, really!], draw an exponential graph or find the roots of a polynomial function. Alas, I speak from experience with freshly-minted fellows!

    Jay.
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    I've met a middle-school English teacher who firmly believes that every teacher, whether elementary or secondary, irrespective of specialization, ought to be able to pass CSET-MS. There's something to be said for that...
     

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