Felt like writing on the Teacher note

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  1. Mr Magoo

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    The Teacher left on the note paper * Several periods the classes are out of control and wild but they are good kids.

    I felt like writing * Thank you for the warning, when you get back tomorrow, half the students in you'r class will be in detention.

    :rofl:

     
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    *your
     
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  4. Mr Magoo

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    I Felt like writing that :)

    I did not actually send any to detention.
     
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    OP, have you developed any strategies for dealing with the behavior of students in your classroom other than sending them to detention or calling the P down to deal with things?

    I don't know if you want to become a full time teacher, but in most jobs, administration expects you to handle all but the most disturbing behaviors within your classroom. That is a very important skill that you will be questioned about in interviews. Also, if the students know you are turning the discipline over to another person, they will always test you.

    Just wondering.
     
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    Mr. Magoo is a sub and most subs have behavior issues in other teacher's classes.
     
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    I know he is a sub but just wondered what his long term goals were.
     
  8. Mr Magoo

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    I always write on the board all the classroom rules.

    That is the main thing.

    I also tell the students any work they have to do is a Test.

    Example: A Teacher was sick unexpectedly, and the next door Teacher brought over a bunch of copies of something for the students to do.

    What that Teacher brought was pure fluff, something that first graders could do.

    But, this was High School sophomores .

    So, I tell all the students it is a Test, and I go around the room saying no talking, no cheating etc.

    All the students wispier to each other the whole time and do the paper.

    I will say one student said that yesterday in algebra I told them the paper was a Test and , it was not a Test. I told her * No Talking ! :)

    That day went very good.

    Verses

    I could have said to the class, here is a paper to do, it is pure fluff. Do it or not as you want. Then the students would hoot and holler and start going crazy etc.

    Then, I would have a big headache all day. (Besides the students making me look bad if the Principal checks on me.
     
  9. Mr Magoo

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    I have 3 Jobs already. I make designs (I can make designs for T shirts etc anytime 24/7 ) and I have my own business on Saturdays. Plus Subbing several times during the week days.
     
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    Telling students that something is a test when it's not a test can cause a lot of problems for both you and the teacher. It's dishonest. It can make the students not trust anything else you say once they figure out that you're lying about that. It can cause problems for the teacher when she returns and has to listen to her classes (and possibly even parents) complain about being given a test with no advanced notice.

    When I know I'll be out, I prepare my students and explain to them what they'll be doing and what I expect of them. When I am out unexpectedly, my students typically know me well enough to know that whatever they're being asked to do is something that they should take seriously. My students would likely never be given a test without advanced notice, and certainly not in the form of a "fluff" activity left with a sub--and they know this. What is far more likely is that they'd be given a practice activity meant to reinforce important skills. It might appear easy or like fluff, but it isn't. Furthermore, many of my sub activities are intended to be done collaboratively, because I think that it helps reinforce these skills and because it helps build my students' academic language--most of them are English language learners and need, as in must have, the opportunity to interact with their peers.

    If you attempted to pull this type of stunt in my classroom, my students would laugh you out of the room. You don't need to lie to students in order to gain their trust or effectively run the classroom. While I would never expect amazing things in terms of classroom management from a sub, I would expect a basic understanding of how to work with kids, including how to positively encourage them and how to be fair. My students are a rough and challenging bunch, but they do deserve honesty and basic respect.
     
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    What is far more likely is that they'd be given a practice activity

    It was nothing about practice , it was two papers with 4 or 5 questions (widely spaced out , which is why it took two papers) on what would you like to do ? With spaces (Short Lines ) for very short answers.

    That first graders could do.

    Something like:

    1. What job would you like ? ________________.








    2. I forgot the next question.

    Oh well.

    P.S.
    I doubt the students actually thought it was a Test. They thought that I thought it was a Test and they did not want to get written up for all the things that I write on the board that they are not to do during a Test.
    (Well, I put that, so they can't do those things anytime, unless the Teacher tells me in the Teachers notes that they can. Such as they can use Cellphones as a calculator or to look up things etc)

    I give warnings (At least 3 times, before I start writing names)

    I have been thinking about putting * No throwing things. I have not decided if that will help stop spitballs / airplanes or encourage it.

    I will say I am a firm believer in "Evidence " If I have evidence that a student did something bad, then I will leave that for the Teacher.

    Example: The day before a holiday weekend , on the way out the door (After the bell rang) a student threw about a trashcans worth of wadded up paper back into the room.

    So, I left a note on the Teachers desk, A student sitting next to the wall by the window, 3rd seat from the front, threw all these wadded up papers all over the room on the way out the door and also flipped the lights out. Instead of throwing those wadded up papers away, I piled them up on the students desk.
     
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    P.S.
    I will say * Fluff * papers are pretty average on what Teachers leave for the Sub to give to the students. (At least 50 to 60 percent of the time)

    Crossword puzzles, word find, Fluff papers etc

    So students refuse to even do them. So they act up more than they do normally.

    If you are a Sub, then you have to figure out how to deal with that.

    When actual work is left for the students then I don't have to say it is a Test etc.

    I am not saying that leaving Fluff work is good or bad, just my response to it.
    (I can understand being sick, a person does not have time to do complex things)
     
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    So you left a bunch of trash on a students desk and made the teacher (or custodian) clean it up when you could have easily walked it to the trash can? I appreciate that subs have typically very hard jobs and have to deal with quite a bit more behavior and disrespect than the regular teacher (within a single day). But if you were my sub I would specifically ask to not have you back, and I never do that with my subs, even if students tell me stories about how the sub told them to "shut up" or whatever.

    I respect my subs and teach my students expectations for subs before I leave if it is possible to, as well as take the policy that when a sub is present, the sub is the teacher and their word is law while I'm gone. But I would want a sub that would respect my plans that I probably spent hours creating for them, and respect me enough to leave me a clean room before they leave. In fact, I generally explicitly tell the subs to keep students in until they've spent some time picking up around the room and tossing trash.
     
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    I never tell Students to shut up, I tell them no talking, when they are loud.

    I suppose I should have left that in the trash can. Perhaps with a note on the can to the janitor not to throw it away until the Teacher sees that I was not making the incident up / and that it was not just a few spit balls , but a massive amount .

    I follow all Teacher plans left for the students. I also tell the students to put their full name, date and period on all papers.

    I make the Students put all Textbooks up and if applicable all chairs on top of desks so the janitors can mop and wax the floor for the next day.
    (If the students make a mess I make them clean it up/ if they don't I write them up - One class refused to clean their mess up / So I wrote a note to that Teacher letting the Teacher know that/ So I picked up their mess before I left)
     
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    These could be a practice for writing in response to a prompt, or a follow up to a conversation about careers or a myriad of other content related activities. It's really not up to a sub to decide what's valuable, what's a test or what's fluff. You could, however, positively encourage students to do their best work at all times.
     
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    In my subbing experience, I always cleaned up any mess a student made, often times by bending down on my knees and using my bare hands rather than a broom. If the mess was something like what you described, I'd have used some tissue to pick it up and put it into the trash and then just left a note to the teacher about it.

    As for dealing with a fluff assignment, I'd never tell the kids it was a test if it wasn't. I did often tell them that the assignment was due at the end of class, whether the teacher said it was or not, the only exception being if the teacher specifically told me not to collect the work. Sometimes I'd tell the kids that if I didn't get a paper from them that I'd tell the teacher that they refused to do any work. Those methods tended to get most kids to finish the work or at least do some of it.
     
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