Discussion in 'Substitute Teachers' started by Mr Magoo, Jan 16, 2017.
Jan 16, 2017
OP, have you developed any strategies for dealing with the behavior of students in your classroom other than sending them to detention or calling the P down to deal with things?
I don't know if you want to become a full time teacher, but in most jobs, administration expects you to handle all but the most disturbing behaviors within your classroom. That is a very important skill that you will be questioned about in interviews. Also, if the students know you are turning the discipline over to another person, they will always test you.
Mr. Magoo is a sub and most subs have behavior issues in other teacher's classes.
I know he is a sub but just wondered what his long term goals were.
Telling students that something is a test when it's not a test can cause a lot of problems for both you and the teacher. It's dishonest. It can make the students not trust anything else you say once they figure out that you're lying about that. It can cause problems for the teacher when she returns and has to listen to her classes (and possibly even parents) complain about being given a test with no advanced notice.
When I know I'll be out, I prepare my students and explain to them what they'll be doing and what I expect of them. When I am out unexpectedly, my students typically know me well enough to know that whatever they're being asked to do is something that they should take seriously. My students would likely never be given a test without advanced notice, and certainly not in the form of a "fluff" activity left with a sub--and they know this. What is far more likely is that they'd be given a practice activity meant to reinforce important skills. It might appear easy or like fluff, but it isn't. Furthermore, many of my sub activities are intended to be done collaboratively, because I think that it helps reinforce these skills and because it helps build my students' academic language--most of them are English language learners and need, as in must have, the opportunity to interact with their peers.
If you attempted to pull this type of stunt in my classroom, my students would laugh you out of the room. You don't need to lie to students in order to gain their trust or effectively run the classroom. While I would never expect amazing things in terms of classroom management from a sub, I would expect a basic understanding of how to work with kids, including how to positively encourage them and how to be fair. My students are a rough and challenging bunch, but they do deserve honesty and basic respect.
Jan 17, 2017
I will say * Fluff * papers are pretty average on what Teachers leave for the Sub to give to the students. (At least 50 to 60 percent of the time)
Crossword puzzles, word find, Fluff papers etc
So students refuse to even do them. So they act up more than they do normally.
If you are a Sub, then you have to figure out how to deal with that.
When actual work is left for the students then I don't have to say it is a Test etc.
I am not saying that leaving Fluff work is good or bad, just my response to it.
(I can understand being sick, a person does not have time to do complex things)
So you left a bunch of trash on a students desk and made the teacher (or custodian) clean it up when you could have easily walked it to the trash can? I appreciate that subs have typically very hard jobs and have to deal with quite a bit more behavior and disrespect than the regular teacher (within a single day). But if you were my sub I would specifically ask to not have you back, and I never do that with my subs, even if students tell me stories about how the sub told them to "shut up" or whatever.
I respect my subs and teach my students expectations for subs before I leave if it is possible to, as well as take the policy that when a sub is present, the sub is the teacher and their word is law while I'm gone. But I would want a sub that would respect my plans that I probably spent hours creating for them, and respect me enough to leave me a clean room before they leave. In fact, I generally explicitly tell the subs to keep students in until they've spent some time picking up around the room and tossing trash.
These could be a practice for writing in response to a prompt, or a follow up to a conversation about careers or a myriad of other content related activities. It's really not up to a sub to decide what's valuable, what's a test or what's fluff. You could, however, positively encourage students to do their best work at all times.
In my subbing experience, I always cleaned up any mess a student made, often times by bending down on my knees and using my bare hands rather than a broom. If the mess was something like what you described, I'd have used some tissue to pick it up and put it into the trash and then just left a note to the teacher about it.
As for dealing with a fluff assignment, I'd never tell the kids it was a test if it wasn't. I did often tell them that the assignment was due at the end of class, whether the teacher said it was or not, the only exception being if the teacher specifically told me not to collect the work. Sometimes I'd tell the kids that if I didn't get a paper from them that I'd tell the teacher that they refused to do any work. Those methods tended to get most kids to finish the work or at least do some of it.
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