Ever had a sociopath for a student

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  1. akconnel

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    I have a student that does whatever he wants if there is even the slightest thought that he might get away with it. In fact even when it’s obvious he won’t get away with it he still does what he wants. He is also smart and manipulative. Furthermore he seems to have no sense of empathy or morals whatsoever. I am not the only one who notices this. Today my aide even said “He’s like a shell of a person.”

    I have spoken to his parents about his behavior and they are no help. But that’s not why I’m posting. I know he will not change.

    I was just wondering if anyone else has ever had a student that struck you as a possible sociopath. Someone who just doesn’t seem to have any sense of right and wrong, or knows but simply does not care.
     
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    I did a long-term sub for 7th grade in the most urban school in the district. It was not fun. I had at least one "sociopath" in every class. These types would stroll into class on a cell phone, refuse to stop texting, sing out loud (on headphones) while I'm giving instructions, ask to get a drink, use the restroom, ANYTHING to create problems.

    One such boy walked into my room, falcon punched a girl.. A GIRL, and began walking away while I was directing him to stop. He treated me like I was Bruce Willis in "Sixth Sense". In other words, I did not exist. I beat him to the door only to have him look me up and down and say, "Get outta my face." "You ain't my teacher fool."
    He then informed me the girl was his sister. Like it was his right to bring family style justice into my classroom.

    Speaking of rights.. these few students all had the same sense of right and wrong. It was simply: it's a free country and I can do anything I want - it's my RIGHTS! Can't tell you how many times I heard that. But I think every 7th grader's fav phrase when they are getting in trouble was, "I don't care."
    They really didn't care. And why should they?
    My guess is there was no accountability at home. How was a little inconvenience of a referral and in school suspension going to ruin Xbox, internet, and basketball time once they got home?
     
  4. Ima Teacher

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    I’ve had a few who had some tendencies, but only one I think truly was one. As a student, he was uninterested in work. He was sneaky, and he was often in trouble for things. He was mean to people and animals. He tried to set fire to one of my desks once. He held a lighter under the desk. He never showed remorse, or really any emotional response to anything.

    He’s currently in prison. His mother’s body was found dumped in a shed in another county. When they went to the house to question him about his mother’s death, they found the brother’s body in the freezer. He and his wife were convicted of murder and tampering with evidence. His mug shot has that same blankness he always had.
     
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    Yes, I've had one diagnosed and a couple of others that probably will be. Then I've had a lot that sound like the second poster's kids - students that are so self-centered that they actually enjoy causing problems for others. I don't think they were actual sociopaths. Just jerks that were being raised by jerks. They'll probably produce multiple jerk children themselves.
     
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    Not sure if he's a sociopath, but I have a Kindergartner who is downright scary. The kid isn't the biggest behavior problem in the room, but he says the most awful things. On one of the first days of school I read a book called "Storm" to the students with animals on the cover. I asked them to make a prediction and this boy said with absolute delight, "Maybe there will be a storm and all of the animals will die! I hope the horse dies first!" He also regularly says things like, "I love nightmares" and "I love monsters, especially the kind that hurt people." One day he told another teacher he was going to blow up the school because we wouldn't let him bring toys and "we'd be sorry." His mom just brushes it off and says, "Oh yeah, he likes scary stuff" as if it's a perfectly normal interest. I'm truly afraid this kid is going to grow up and become a school shooter.
     
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    Yes. He’s in prison.
     
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    Yes. He sounds very similar to the child below, but didn't ever try to start a fire (thank goodness).
     
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    Many years ago I had a young student who had already killed animals and set fires before he came to my 1st grade class. I kept a tight watch on him until the family moved out of state.
     
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    I had one last year that I felt like deserved the label. They frequently held scissors or other objects to my neck, eyes, etc.. saying they would kill me, or would wrap their hands around their throat when given a direction they didn’t like and say “I’ll just kill myself”. They would randomly attack staff, other students, etc. and just say the most awful things I’ve ever heard. The mother got hurt in an accident and when we talked about it during a session they said “I was hoping she would just die, but she only got hurt”.

    The student is now “homeschooled” after a violent incident at the school they went to after mine.
     
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    I had one. He was in a drama class of mine. On the first day of class, we do a getting to know you exercise where everyone has to say their name, their grade and something interesting about themselves. His interesting fact was he likes to kill people. I reported it immediately, and the admin got statements from the entire class. He didn't stay long, he was kicked out of school for hacking the computer system, but the kids were always afraid of him. I met his mother once, and she said that her darling child was super gifted and bright, and that he was smarter than most of the teachers in the school, but I would be alright, because he thought I was more intelligent than the rest. We all were relieved when he left. I looked him up on Facebook a few years ago and saw a lot of Neo-nazi pictures and posts. Pretty sure he went the wrong direction.
     
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    I'd recommend the book,"the psychopath test" you anyone interested in the area or who may have sociopath kids in their class.

    There's a possibility that some kids are just acting out for attention, but I imagine most teachers are able to recognize when that's the case.still the book is interesting for the variety it presents, including some sociopaths who become successful. Though I'm not sure that a successful sociopath is the best outcome.
     
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    If that happened at my school the attacker would be physically detained by one or up to twelve of security staff (who are armed) and brought straight to the principal. Depending on the severity of the attack, said student would be suspended indefinitely and receive zeros in the gradebook for each day missed and/or expelled and/or criminally prosecuted. For those suspended, they would also be prohibited from attending all school-related functions and activities for the remainder of the school year and put on heavy restrictions — students at my school hate being put on restrictions and never reoffend because it’s not something you want to do more than once, I assure you. We don’t mess around and send a strong message about fighting.

    At my school, we believe if you do the crime, you do the time. Just because you’re a minor does not exempt you from being responsible for your actions. Minors are prosecuted in the criminal justice system all the time and we have no qualms about seeing fit that criminal activity is punished severely.
     
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    I wouldn’t consider those kinds of kids sociopaths. Sometimes kids are just @ssholes.
     
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    Exactly. The question is "Do you have any potential Jeffrey Dahmer (or the like) in your classroom?"
    I think we've all met a Buffalo Bill or two in our day.

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    https://psychologia.co/psychopath-vs-sociopath/
     
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    I am sad to say that I have. When he was 6-7 he would describe how he wanted to eviscerate people and watch their blood and guts spill out onto the floor. He would often cry and say that someone hurt him and point to a kids who would look horrified and shocked and say that they swore that they hadnt done anything to him. When we told him we were going to call his parents about his behavior he would accuse them of abusing him and say that they beat him and lock him a closet if we call home - all of this was a lie and had been investigated by the police and CPS more than once. He just didnt care if he hurt his own parents if it kept them from taking away him TV and computer game privileges.

    I have one this year that I was a little worried about, and continue to be, but have hope that things can improve for her. In second grade they called the police on her for assaulting her teacher and other students. She would hit kids with metal objects while making racists slurs at them. She destroys property and is a pathological liar and feels entitled to hurt people that tell her to do things she doesnt want to do or try to discipline her.

    Thanks goodness we have come a long way and we are seeing a lot of progress this year. I think for her their is hope, for other I have seen go through and make zero improvement and I do think I will see them on the news in the future.
     
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    Your post makes me so sad. I have not met any ‘Buffalo Bill’ students. I have met students who have needed a variety of support-academically, socially, behaviorally, psychologically. These memes are horrifying in any situation. Used to define kids? Disturbing at best and one would expect more from dedicated professional educators. Just my $.02.
     
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    That kid is going to probably end up in prison one day. Sad. Just sad.
     
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    Fortunately, I have not.
     
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    :clapping::clapping:

    Super duper for you. I don't know where you teach, and perhaps you teach in a nice little bubble (doubtful) or perhaps you have met the students and just see them with rose colored glasses. Or maybe you're just super lucky?
    Unfortunately, I have very much worked with students I could foresee holding people captive because of their affect and demeanor in the classroom. Warning signs! :!!::warning: Without too much details, a student I knew killed his mother a few years ago.
    Some teachers only want to see the "best" in kids (and while that's noble) I see kids for how they are. If a student has serious psychological issues (such as psychopathy) you can't really "fix'' that. And, I never said kids DON'T need a variety of supports and if they do get them, who knows what can happen? But the truth is, Jeffrey Dahmer was always going to be Jeffrey Dahmer. The John Wayne Gacys, Jeffrey Dahmers, & Ted Bundy's of the world were at one point somebody's elementary students. All of these "evil" people in the world were students at one point.
    And many show signs very early on, which is really disturbing, because in many cases, things will just get worse as the kids get older.
    And if a kid is showing signs such as lack of guilt or remorse and is hurting others (psychologically and/or physically) in the classroom... I'm sorry, but I don't believe that child belongs in the classroom. Flog me all you want, but I've seen the consequences of that.

    :anguished:
     
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    Wow. Clapping. How inappropriate

    There are students who have extreme psychological problems and many belong in specialized programs- not the gen ed classroom. I do believe early intervention can help but I am not qualified to provide that kind of support. Your memes, however, are offensive and show no compassion for what is essentially a mental illness.
     
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