English teachers trying to be History Teachers

Discussion in 'Secondary Education' started by Brendan, Jun 12, 2007.

  1. Aliceacc

    Aliceacc Multitudinous

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    Nope.

    I don't try to disguise my words as other than what they are.
     
  2. AHB

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    whatever- you guys are too serious for me. The initial comment or question wasn't about me or anything I'd said. I'm out- and Brendan, I wish you all the best....AHB
     
  3. TeacherGroupie

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    While many, many teachers are willing to accept criticism and do what needs to be done to correct what is amiss, not all are. From Brendan's account - and he has a good track record on A to Z - it would seem that this errant English teacher is one of the latter.
     
  4. JaimeMarie

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    No I do believe Alice was just letting you know that we don't take kindly to people insulting others here. Please think before you post.
     
  5. JaimeMarie

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    Brendan,
    I'm sorry this english teacher isn't taking your advice. I wish I had another teacher in my school to offer advice once in a while.
    I would have come running to you when my 8th grader wrote a paper about the Lobster Backs coming. I had no idea what he was talking about. After searching the internet for a while I figured it out. But it would have been nice to just ask someone.
    Best of luck! It sounds like you have a stubborn teacher on your hands.
    Maybe it's time to got to the the English department head or the Principal.
     
  6. Brendan

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    It is too late for this year, I will mention something to the department head (who isn't one of my biggest fans) at the beginning of next year regarding this issue in general.
     
  7. Geddesm

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    Please forgive me for finding your problem amusing. I myself am a history teacher and this seems to be a problem all too common between literature and history teachers. I remember one time when I was teaching about the French revolution at about the same time that an English teacher was teaching the same subject. I learned form my students that Marie Antoinette had a fetish for cake, and that is why she said "let them eat cake."

    As a history buff I've known for a long time that Marie Antoinette never actually said, "let them eat cake." The original quote comes from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions where he said, "I recalled the make-shift of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread and who replied: "Let them eat brioche". This was actually in reference to an incident in Grenoble in 1740, ten years before Marie Antoinette was born.

    But hey, the literature teacher wanted the students to think that Marie Antoinette had a fetish for cake.... so why not?
     
  8. TeacherGroupie

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    What's scary about this is that history and literature DO feed off each other: the literature of a period is shaped by the history, and increasingly shapes the history as well. All the more reason for teachers in both subject areas to have a good grasp of both. (That, and it's a lot more fun.)
     
  9. Brendan

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    Yes, Teachergroupie they do. I could not agree more. However, if one is teaching something that is not in their subject they must out extra effort and research into ensuring that it is correct.
     
  10. Brendan

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    Ahh, that makes me laugh. That is such a minor detail though I would not that be mad. But teaching that the King of England was NOT the head of the English Church after they broke away from the Catholic, is!
     
  11. Brendan

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    Oh I am sorry that we are too serious for you. Education and making sure students are not misinformed is a serious thing, to me at least!
     
  12. tsrmom

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    I'm an English teacher, so all I'll say is this:
    1) It is important that we get our facts right when teaching historical connections.
    2) Our state-mandated textbooks are organized by historical periods, and the literary movements that went along with those periods and we are expected to make the historical connections.
     

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