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  1. TeacherGroupie

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    Is this more or less what you're talking about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_beadmaking

    You've raised a very good question, as well as teaching me something. My guess is that if your other medium is more widely taken as A Real Art Medium, and if you can make the connections you need to make between principles and practices of art on the one hand and your lampwork on the other, you stand a reasonable chance of success. Go very heavy on the technical terminology of art - design principles and all that: look to the Content Standards for art that are on the California Department of Education Web site at http://www.cde.ca.gov/re/pn/fd/. Make sure your photos are exceptional, too.

    Best of luck, and please keep us posted here. I'd like to know how this goes for you.
     
  2. VTeach

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    I took the test a in march.. I didn't really study much (only about 3 weeks) i didn't think it was as hard as people make it out to be. As long as you follow the study guide provided in the cset website you should be okay.(also use gardners art through the ages as a study guide) I would also recommend taking one test at a time. I took both but was only able to pass the first one. I felt that by the time i got to the second one i was running out of gas.
     
  3. GlassIsMyGame

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    TeacherGroupie,
    Thanks so much for your reply concerning my glasswork & all the tips. Yes, that is exactly what I do and teach.

    By the way, there are now 3 of us that have formed a study group in Art in the L.A. area for the beginning of May :wow: . All are welcome! Write us in this forum if you are also interested in joining us :rolleyes: .


     
  4. stiffy07

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    hi, I am a new guy here. I am also scheduled to take the test on May 19th. I am interested in the study group.
    Are there any books online like AP guidebooks to study the art CSET test? I DL the study test exams from the nesic site, they are helpful. I have never had any non-western art history, but I do know some of that area.
    I believe it is possible to pass both in the same day, given the option to do that.
     
  5. stiffy07

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    music part of CSET art?

    Does anyone know if there are music questions? I know alot about visual arts and art history but nothing about music...

    Also: how dare they ask theoretical questions about teaching art, when we need to pass this test FIRST just to get onto a teaching program... so we can learn how to teach!! How do they expect us to know about teaching before we get into the credential program?

    (The program at CSU demands we pass the test to get accepted into the credential school)
     
  6. arts

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    Music, yes

    Yes, I saw a couple on the music, maybe 2 not more than 3 if you know what kind of impact on the Russian ballet occurred, which left me clueless, I think the era was in the 80's. Many teachers taking this test are already teachers and may lose their jobs or need to take 2 classes in order to remain in their position to renew their status. When I pass this test, I really want to and move on, but there should be another way of getting a credential besides the test. My friend was a business major that took the CSET for a position in Home Economics, she took it 6 times and passed it because she learned the questioning concept. She said that she never knew what she got right or wrong but she guessed 85% of it....the test isnt going to matter, some people arent even teaching art history or looking at concepts related to the content, especially printmaking and lithography, or bead making. The test has not even 1 question on what they might teach, rather they stick in one word about ceramics and the definitions they provide arent even the right ones. Its silly!
     
  7. TeacherGroupie

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    CSET Art focuses on visual art; if there's a question that invokes music, it's going to be one that can be answered from what you know about art.

    The official reason that the CSU credential programs require passage of CSET before entrance is that, except for part-time programs, they tend to move people into student teaching within eight to twelve weeks - and, by state law, one must have demonstrated one's subject-matter competence before student teaching. I wish the CCTC and the CSUs and the other programs had coordinated things a bit better, and I agree with you that it doesn't make much sense if CSET asks questions about teaching practice. Fortunately, there tend to be relatively few such questions - the bulk of the matter is and should be art content. But people tend to remember, vividly and with some shock, the few questions that there are.
     
  8. TeacherGroupie

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    Seems to me your quarrel might properly be with the credential, not the exam. The credential pretty clearly entitles the bearer to teach classes in art history as well as in art making; if that's the case, then the exam more or less has to test both art history and art making, whether or not the bearer intends to focus on just one of the pair. It's possible that there ought to be distinct art-history and art-making credentials, but I suspect districts will still be likelier to hire people who can teach both.
     
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  9. artlover74

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    Hi stiffy07! Yay, another study group member! Now we have 4 people...we are tenetively planning a meeting on May 3rd...i am willing to meet before then too, if anyone is interested. Email me at jennyllynn11 @ aol, & i will give you the details.
     
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    cset art

    I just took the test on May 19th.....what a tough test!!! Ok, i knew it was not going to be easy....but I expected to see much more about important art movements, roman and greek art, and integral artists that shaped the art world in many ways.....but nooooo. Most of what I studied wasn't even on the test! :mad:

    It was infuriating, i thought the test was full of such random questions and such obscure art pieces and artists, if I need to re-take the test, I wouldn't even know where to find the information to study.

    I knew there would be some obscure information covered, but not the majority of the test! I did feel okay on the questions about the elements of art and principles of design shown in a work, but even those were sooo subjective!

    I'd be curious to see an art teacher who has been teaching for a long time to take that test and pass it!

    Okay...I guess I'll stop venting now. Who knows how I did, I guess I will hope for the best but expect the worse. Curious what everyone else thought of the test??:confused:

    Jen
     
  11. GlassIsMyGame

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    Hi,

    I also wanted to comment on May 19th. Art CSET test. After forming a study group, we studied everything from soup to nuts & back again. We MEMORIZED the practice test included on the CSET website. We also purchased the practice test from a company on-line ($60), & MEMORIZED every question. We realized that the questions would not be exact on the CSET but the most we could hope for is that the questions would be similar to the 2 practice tests. We called each other continuously for a month testing each other. I personally took 7 books out from the library to add to my art books from my university & poured through them trying to absorb everything I could. I drove 7 hrs. just to study with these people. We made up sentences to help us memorize each Element of Art & Principle of Design. The morning of the test, we spoke to each other in a conference call & each felt completely confidant that we would nail this test. One of us has taken this test 3 times now. She has now paid almost $900. The other people in the study group & I couldn't figure how she could have flunked 3 times but this was to be our first time. We thought she must have some learning deficiency. Turns out, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with our friend. She is articulate, extremely knowledgeable & one heck of an art teacher in her own right now completing her 1st. year teaching.
    Turns out that the questions asked on the test were NONE of the questions nor related to either the CSET study test or the study test we paid $60 with the exception of appoximately 4 questions. My study group & I were completely appalled. The majority of classic art & artists was completely left out. There were very few questions on any of the masters or periods of architecture. Would you not think that California would consider the most famous artists & architecture in history important enough to include on this test? I would like to very much tell you EXACTLY what was on this test but I realize that it is against the rules of this thread so I cannot. What I can say is that this test concentrated on many obscure, unknown contemporary artists that you could not find if you Googled all day long. The questions were also written obscurely (- def. given by Free Dictionary -So faintly perceptible as to lack clear delineation; indistinct.) In other words, the questions were written so poorly that you had to literately read many of them 3 times before extracting what they were actually asking you. The answers were equally ambiguous & took quite a long time to decipher. We are not stupid people but, this test did it's best to make you think that you were. My question is "Who are the test givers trying to impress with these overblown questions?" We just want to be grade school, middle school or high school Art teachers not Art professors at Cambridge or Harvard? And what does over-education have to do with your ability to actually be an excellent teacher in your classroom? There is no measure of this on the CSET.
    After the test, I spoke to possibly 20 teacher friends of mine. The chair of our English Dept. took her CSETs twice before opting to go back for her Masters. The new Social Science teacher flunked 3 times before opting to go back & finish his Masters. And the list goes on & on. Horrific stories about how extremely intelligent teachers have suffered at the hand of what seems to be a very unfair system of testing. I myself sat with 5 people last Saturday taking the Art CSET, 3 of which were testing for the 2nd. & 3rd. time. Can you please tell me, if this is the State of California's way of telling us that we should all have Masters in our field? Then, why don't they just demand that & not continue to torture us? Which brings me to the next point. Does this CSET test taking have something to do with the large amount of money the state makes on these tests? Many teachers I have interviewed have suggested so. I would like to know the revenue earned for the past few years on the CSET tests.
    And what of the lives of future teachers? Personally, in my study group's case, 3 careers will be ruined. One of us not passing this test will mean a non-acceptance into their District Intern Program starting next month. One of us will lose their position for this fall. And, one of us will not be given the position promised to her by her principal that she has waited so long for.
    It seems to me that the amount of vacant teaching positions in California that the State is so desperate to fill, is directly proportional to the amount of teachers failing the CSET. I was told that a large amount of teaching positions went unfilled in our state last year especially in Special Ed, Math & Science. And when it really comes down to it, California is the State with the toughest requirements for teaching in the U.S. but, statistically, our children are doing no better than any other state & sometimes worse. Yet, becoming a teacher here is like jumping through fiery hoops as a trained tiger in a circus especially for the small amount of pay that most teachers receive in California today. I truly believe that out of the seasoned teachers teaching in our schools, 95% of them would flunk the CSET is asked to take it. Maybe this is the answer. Teachers teaching for possibly 10 yrs. & more must now be required to take the CSET. Another colleague suggested bringing back the oral exam as part of CSET testing. I think this observation would be an excellent way to see what kind of teacher this person would make instead of judging them from obscure questions. No one is asking for a free ride here, only that this requirement be fair.
    There is clearly something very wrong that needs to be addressed. TeacherGroupie, you work for CSET. Please pass my letter on this thread to ALL of your colleagues at CSET in an effort to help fix this damaged system. And, my personal hopes are that my study group & I miraculously pass this test although none of us feel hopeful as we believe that this test is set up for failure.
     
  12. TeacherGroupie

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    Hold it right there: I do not either work for CSET! Neither have I ever done so.

    Responding to the rest of your thread will have to wait while I recover my equanimity.
     
  13. GlassIsMyGame

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    Hi TeacherGroupie,

    I have seen replies from you on other areas of this website. I assume you don't just write to people here for fun.

    Whom do you work for then?
     
  14. eduk8r

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    It's called altruism.
     
  15. TeacherGroupie

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    Make that imprudence.

    (Don't yelp, Glass: that dig was at myself, for reasons that transcend this thread.)

    For tests of this kind, it's certainly necessary to know facts. It's also necessary to reason with those facts: to use the facts and the patterns in which they fall to infer relationships that one doesn't know cold.

    In the course of mastering lampwork, you've undoubtedly had to learn some procedures by rote, but when it comes down to the crunch, I'm betting you have to make some leaps of intuition based on your familiarity with the medium and the tools. Right?

    The same sort of thinking - the same sort of bridging from the known principles to the specific situation - is called for here. Analysis and synthesis in complex interplay...
     
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    I just came across this post and am wondering how you did on the test? I am taking it in a week and getting nervous. I have an undergrad degree in studio art and teach middle school art presently but need to have the added cred. to my multi-subj.
     
  17. TeacherGroupie

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    If you're teaching middle-school art, I'm guessing you're fairly good at explaining techniques and ways to see and perhaps even a fair bit of art history.

    Bone up on art history, if you're not already teaching it.

    Think about why you made the choices you made in your portfolio pieces - medium, approach, all that - and be prepared to account for those choices.

    If you've got test anxiety, think of ways to reduce it.

    And if you've got specific questions, ask.
     
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    Wow, Thanks for the quick reply!. I do have a question the photo requirements for the portfolio. My area of concentration photos are 8x 10 glossy prints from slides. They look pretty good. However, the 3 which are exaples of breadth were taken with a digital camera and the prints came back with a white border, less than an inch wide. I cannot find any mention of border in the portfolio requirements manual.
     
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    Did you pass the test? I am taking it on the 15th of Sept. I passed subset 2 last spring. It was a horrific experience. Nothing I studied prepared me for the obscure artists that were mentioned. I was, therefore, surprised that I passed. The portfolio requirements have been stressful. First they sent out a requirements manual that alerted you to read carefully due to "new requirements", which amounted to 3 photos in the area of concentration that had to be in DIFFERENT mediums! As a ceramic sculptor, I use sculpture clay for my medium, right? When I called the testing people to ask about this I was first put on hold while someone could be located to explain this. Ten minutes later the answer came back from the original seeker; "This is an exam. The portfolio is part of the exam. You are to do the best that you can, with the info you are given, was the rather curt reply to my confusion. So I have been scrambling around trying to recreate some of my old sculpture pieces from years ago when I was taking art classes- before I settled into my "concentration". Then... I get an email: NEW PORTFOLIO REQUIREMENTS: to be mailed out- this is a bout 12 days before the test. A few days later the NEW PORTFOLIO REQUIREMENT MANUal arrived with the envelopes and labels included: Area of Concentration: 3 photos showing work from the SAME medium, (as in area of concentration)
    Speaking of cost: $5.00 to mail each manual, the NEW and the CORRECTED. The reprinting of the manual was probably not payed for by donations (tax $). I am scared.
     
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    Sounds like a wonderful experience. They have such stringent requirements for public k-12 educators, but all you need is your degree (and luck getting a position) to teach college.
     

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