Can I get an exceptional admission if I don't pass CSET subtest I?

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    jyfyyy New Member

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    I just got my score of CSET subtest I. It was 213. All the other requirements have been met. I am a current graduate student at CSU Fresno, but their admission policy is strict...Does anyone know there are other colleges allow me to apply for the credential program without passing all three CSET subtests? Thanks!
     
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    Non-CSU credential programs may admit you before you've passed the whole of your CSET. But the CSUs as a class require CSET before admission for a good reason, and that is that the requirement to have demonstrated one's subject-matter knowledge before student teaching is a matter of state law. Several CSU credential programs have candidates student teaching as early as eight weeks into the program, to the benefit of all concerned.

    As bad as you feel right now before you're in a program, trust me that it's worse to be coming up short on CSET near the end of the program when you can't student teach.

    In any case, a score of 213 is close enough to passing that, in my judgment, you're best off getting this subtest over with now. You can retest 45 days from the date of your previous attempt. Tell me what you see on page 2 of your score report, and I'll tell you what that tells me about what you need to work on. Let me also recommend looking at other discussions of CSET-MS Subtest I in this Multiple Subject Tests subforum - and, for that matter, discussions of other states' similar tests.
     
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    jyfyyy New Member

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    Thanks for your response!
    The score report: Reading, language and Literature: +++
    History and Social Science:++
    Overall: +++
    Constructed-Response: K for all four assignments
    Overall: +

    I used Cliff book to prepare the test, but I think half of the questions and knowledge that I was asked in the test never appeared in the textbook at all...

    For the admission, if it's possible to obtain a conditional offer with a premise that I have to pass all CSET before the program start? I only know CSU long beach requires passing all CSET by the end of the first semester of the program.

    Thanks again!
     
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    Prep books run to questions that ask for definitions on the theory that such questions encourage test takers to learn those definitions and the terms they go with. CSET questions tend to focus more on questions that require the test taker to know the definitions well enough to be able to discern which terms are in play and which aren't. That is, CSET questions expect test takers to extrapolate from what they know to what's less familiar, using the principles and the vocabulary and academic language of the field. (As you'll discover when you take RICA, vocabulary and academic language differ in important ways.)

    For you to have scored 213, I'll venture that your ++ in multiple choice history and social science and your + in constructed response were on the high side of their respective ranges - but each still probably means that you earned less than half (or much less than half) of available raw points. Your constructed responses were heading in the right direction - your answers were on point and supported - but whoever assigns diagnostic codes wasn't convinced that you know what you're talking about. I'd recommend working hard on acquiring the technical vocabulary of reading, language, and literature and history. Do bear in mind that the goal isn't to write pretty essays, as it was for CBEST: the goal is to show that you can discuss the content of each domain like a grownup.

    Since you've got Cliffs, find a multiple choice question in history that you've answered well, then make your own outline notes on why your answer works. Then peek at the Cliffs explanation to see what, if anything you've missed and jot that down. Move on to the next question, then come back to this one without notes and see if you can reconstruct the explanation without peeking at your notes. Then rewrite it as a bullet list that you'd give to a colleague who also teaches social studies, bearing in mind what aspects of history a colleague who teaches social studies would not need explained.

    As for conditional admission, make an appointment with an admissions person in the program and ask, one on one.
     
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    I am currently enrolled in CalStateTeach and they can admit you without passing the CSET for the 1st term. You have one full year to study and pass the test before moving onto Term 2.
     
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    Hi ShandiMC2019,
    Thank you so much for the information!! The good news is I recently passed all my CSET! But I recently heard CalStateTeach and I am very interested in it. My question for this program is can I apply this program if I am not a current teacher? If yes, how will I complete student teaching later on?

    Thank you again!
     
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    Oh my gosh congratulations!!! I'm still struggling with it, taking Subtest 1 for the 3rd time on Tuesday and I'm so nervous.
    You mean you're not teaching currently? Of course you can apply, you will start student teaching right away, and they will place you to a school. The program is online but a lot of the assignments fall heavily on your student teaching.
    If you want more details, you can email me!
    chenmaryc at gmail (they won't let me post the actual email address LOL)
     
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    Hi TeacherGroupie,
    Thank you so much for your suggestions and those turned out to be so helpful! I recently got my CSET 101 result and I passed!!
    This time I got +++ on Multiple Choice Section, and +++ on my constructed response Section as well! For the four constructed response, I got check marks on the first three, and a K on the last one. I took about three weeks to re-prepare for the test, and I reviewed the Cliffs book again and write all key points down. This time, I focused more on Language and literature part because I thought if I could do better in this part and keep the same level on history portion (just in case my ), I would probably pass since my last score was really close to the passing line. My suggestion for this is just persistence, don't give it up, and try to collect information from anywhere you can find (guide book, internet, etc.). Also, try to analysis every single sentence of the sample question on the CTC website, and try to understand what candidates are expected to know under each question, and use the similar construction of the sample response. That would be really beneficial.
     
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    Your post made me smile. This is such wonderful news! Keep up the great work — you’ll be credentialed in no time. And I’m curious, what middle school grade would you like to teach?
     
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    This is fantastic advice for others struggling with the Multiple Subject CSET for Subtest I. Great job!
     
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    Congratulations, jyfyyy! You're most welcome, and thanks for sharing your strategies.
     
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