Arizona Subject Matter Compliance Work Experience?

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  1. hmsmark

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    Hello Everyone,

    I am currently a teacher in California. I have single subject credentials in English and Social Studies. In California, if you have a 'clear' credential, which is essentially a professional level credential, you can add a subject area to your credential by showing an out of state credential.

    So, before teaching I worked in optics and used algebra, geometry, and calculus daily. I have over 5 years of experience and AZ apparently will allow you to add an area to a teaching license in a field if you have 5 years of work experience. My thought is that I would get a Math credential in Arizona after getting a standard teaching certification in English and Social Studies based on reciprocity in Arizona. Then, once I have my AZ math credential in hand, I would apply for a math credential in California based upon having a full, professional credential in AZ.

    My question is: Do you know anyone who has shown subject matter competency through work experience this way in Arizona? The directions are to send in a resume, which I could do, but I'm looking for some tips if anyone has any?
     
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    Have you attempted CSET Math?
     
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    Dec 5, 2018 at 2:44 PM

    No. There are three math CSETs to qualify for secondary math, they cost $300 total, and they take two months to come back, then you need to take a methods class in the subject area, then wait for CTC to get around to processing your application. No one has told California they are in a crippling math shortage...

    If I go the testing route, which I probably will end up doing, I will take Praxis or NES for a third of the cost and much faster turnaround time and credential in one of a dozen states that will issue me a math credential based solely on testing, then apply in California.
     
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    Dec 5, 2018 at 4:52 PM

    It will be surprising if CTC goes along with this.
     
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    Dec 6, 2018 at 8:50 AM

    I would check with the CTC first before doing this because what if they don’t end up accepting it? I would get clarification first before initiating your plan.
     
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    Dec 6, 2018 at 10:56 AM

    You've apparently never tried to get "clarification" from CTC or have a connection I don't have. If, and it's a big IF, anyone answers the phone or an email, they're low level bureaucrats who regurgitate boilerplate responses that typically don't apply to your question.

    I've already done this with English. California will accept a professional, out of state credential from a teacher with a clear California single subject credential. So if you have a clear, single subject credential in California in, say: Social Science, and have a professional-level (other state's version of a 'clear' credential) certificate from another US state or Territory in, say: English, they will add English to your California credential upon submission of the fee and so on. The key there is to have the professional level credential, and not an initial. It's on the application to add a subject area.

    And, if I'm wrong and I've taken a math test or gotten an Arizona credential through work experience, then... I've wasted a hundred bucks or so in each instance and passed a math test to reinforce how smart I think I am.

    Really, I was looking for someone who may have gotten an AZ credential through work experience and resume review, not advice that I need to email CTC. I've actually done this and I got a cut-n-paste response that was about EL authorization.
     
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    Dec 6, 2018 at 3:22 PM

    I went through an alternate route to get my Clear Credential in Mathematics and am fully aware of how incompetent the California CTC is because I’ve lived it, haha!

    With that said, I’m glad to be done and through with BTSA, now called Induction.

    I would email them and see what their reply is because they are VERY strict about their process and I don’t want you to go through all that work only to find out it doesn’t meet their standards.
     
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    Dec 7, 2018 at 8:29 AM

    https://www.ctc.ca.gov/credentials/out-of-state-high-sch
     
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    Dec 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM

    Congrats on finishing BTSA. I came in from out of state and didn't have to do it. In fact, I don't think I would have stayed in teaching if they tried to make me. We had something of a similar program in my previous state, but it wasn't as involved.

    I've tried to link the pamphlet they have put out, but it won't let me. If you google: ADDING A TEACHING OR CONTENT AREA TO MULTIPLE AND SINGLE SUBJECT CREDENTIALS" and CTC it should come up. If you look at their leaflet on p.4 will see that a California educator can add a subject from out of state. Again, I've done it adding English to my Single Subject Credential, and it won't be that much work. I had an English credential from another state that I didn't apply for when I first got my license because, at the time, I wasn't interested in teaching English. For Math, it really just creating a resume that highlights my math skills. It will either work or it won't. Then, I'll either take a test or choose not to get certified in math and stay in my current job.
     
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    Dec 8, 2018 at 1:10 PM

    Well, it seems that you are correct! Have at it, then.
     

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